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Kind of wild to me we have a statement of him claiming the money was planted but nothing about the gun or the handwritten manifesto that was basically a confession. Like....was he asked about that????
~~no~~ we don't know, it's possible this was only about what the state argued affected his bail
https://hexbear.net/comment/5721911
Bizarre. So basically either:
A) The state did not present those items during its request to deny bail.
or
B) They did, but nobody is reporting on what comment he did or did not make regarding them?
...that strikes me as a bit odd. Edit: Ok not a lawyer so I don't know how this works but specualtion: maybe they didn't need to? Like during this proceeding is it possible they just got bail denied purely on the money and the bag and they didn't need to present the gun or manifesto in its request because the judge was already on board before they could get to it?
not an expert but I think bail hearing is about your flight risk, not about probability of guilt, so I find it believable that only the money and the bag were argued
Flight risk is a definite thing but I know enough to know its also about the severity of the charges and whether the suspect presents a potential danger if released. I find it really hard to believe that him having a "ghost gun" on his person which he plausibly carried across state lines wouldn't be an important argument that they would raise. My best speculation is just that was going to be their final argument, but they didn't get to make it because the judge pounded the gavel and said (cue law and order theme) "I've heard enough. Bail is denied."
yeah that explanation makes sense more than the others
"I know enough" isn't something someone who gets their trial law information from Law & Order should be saying. You have a very poor understanding of bail proceedings in the US.
LMAO, I don't even watch Law and Order. I was making a joke. Please do inform me where I'm mistaken in anything though if you are an authority on the subject. I fully admit to lacking any sort of legal credentials or experience in law enforcement. I'm just someone with an engineer brain trying to find logical explanations or fill in gaps on things that don't make sense at first glance.
The reporter mentions toward the end of the video that the ghost gun, silencer, and bag were described as "criminal sophistication" but it's unclear if they were brought up during the bail arguments, or if that's something that was referenced previously. He also mentions that Mangione said "I don't know about any of this criminal sophistication" which could be a blanket denial of all those items or just expressing disagreement with their conclusions.
Really would like a transcript to clear all this up.