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submitted 2 weeks ago by pjwestin@lemmy.world to c/memes@lemmy.world

Seriously though, don't do violence.

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[-] Iapar@feddit.org 291 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If violence isn't a solution why does the government use it?

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 105 points 2 weeks ago

The state is nothing but a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. To a hammer, everything is a nail. To a state, everything is a target for violence.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

The state even sometimes uses violence on itself.

See: Civil Wars.

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I figure legitimate in this instance just means they won't have any reason to expect repercussions for their acts of violence.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

The state is nothing but a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.

Which, ideally, is pretty much how it has to work. The state is, ideally, composed of elected representatives and their appointees. The alternative to violence monopolized by elected representatives is violence distributed to private interests. State monopoly of legitimate violence is not great and I agree with the problems inherent to that, but realistically the alternative seems worse. I'm racking my brain for another system, but I can't think of anything that doesn't devolve to oligarch-led private armies oppressing people.

[-] Hegar@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

state is, ideally, composed of elected representatives

oligarch-led private armies oppressing people.

They're the same picture.

Elections are a venue for competiting oligarchs - US elections are largely just a wealth check - with the bonus that afterwards people feel they've chosen their oligarchs and are less likely to notice that 90%+ of elected representatives only represent the interest of elites.

I do the same thing at work when I need mentally ill people to do what I say. "You can do what I want version A, or do what I want version B, which one?" always works better than "Do what I want!"

I agree that violence management is a very difficult problem with no easy solution. But I don't think giving full control of legitimate violence to the rich is the best solution, which is what a state of elected representatives does.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Still, there's the friction of checks and balances. It's certainly not perfect, far from it, but the alternative is still worse.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Aw man. You're gonna bring the "I like hospitals and roads but not taxes" crowd out of the wood work, claiming governments are just warlords with good PR.

[-] podperson@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

You’re doing violence to grammar with your “an.”

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's A solution, just not the preferred one.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago

Because the US government has more guns than any other entity on the planet. There's no fight it loses.

[-] SuspiciousUser@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 weeks ago

Afghanistan and Vietnam come to mind.

[-] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

afganistan, lol

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

The Vietnamese peasants and farmers beg to differ.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

If the us government where to go to war with its own populous it would destroy the very wealth they sought to control.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

yeah except for basically all of them

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