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She was on a rocketship trajectory before getting Cheney on and focusing on old ex-R endorsements. There aren't enough voters in the center and you can't switch any magats is the takeaway.
Well that and before going super war hawk in her nomination acceptance speech.
That's what we thought but apparently not. All this time a large chunk of Americans were getting brainwashed by social media algorithms that she's going to start WW3, or going to let all the illegal immigrants in, or she is going to make gas even more expensive, or round up Christians or some other bullshit.
The DNC didn't have a chance because the voters are fucking morons.
and you’re never going to be able to stop that, so you need to give the left who stayed home (as fucking stupid as that was) someone to be excited about
I wonder if liberals have finally stopped calling anyone who criticizes Harris and the DNC campaign a MAGA troll.
At least they seem to have moved on from Russian bot.
Probably never will. We'll be hearing them blaming us as we shuffle in a chain gang to the concentration camps.
You think there are millions of self-proclaimed leftists in USA? Sure buddy.
And these 'leftists' saw who might be president and they still chose to abstain?
Good job. 👍
The DNC saw who their rival is and decided to move in that direction instead of catering to the millions that are not voting because of their lacklustre policies. Good job the DNC as well, then.
What about the ones who are voting but doesn't use their voice to pressure the DNC to adopt more progressive policies, but instead prefer to alienate the left even more by attacking them the whole way up to the election. I'm sure they're happy with their decision, as well.
I think my sarcasm wasn't clear to you so let me say it in clearer terms:
The left in USA is a myth. There aren't millions of leftists waiting for DNC to do the right things and give them perfect unicorn to vote for so they can get off their asses.
That's because you can only think in black and white terms that you can't tell that it's not just 'leftist' that would be motivated to vote if the DNC had catered to more progressive policies, but a lot of people on the centre that had also been disillusioned by the political system. We've seen many times that progressive stances gets a lot of support from people of all political spectrum, yet the only thing the DNC can think to do is try to appeal to the right side of the spectrum that would still only vote for a Republican? So ridiculous.
In the meantime, you can continue putting your head in the sand and enjoy watching Harris get less support than Hillary because the 'leftist' are not worth listening to. I'm sure you think if she had slid even more to the right, she would've gotten more support, right?
Exactly this.
There are literally shit tons of voters in the center, that is the big fat juicy center that decides elections. Plus those voters are worth double, because it's a vote for you and a vote taken away from the other party.
Dems lose when they try to appease this magical center because it takes the wind out of the sails of of their voting base. I mean getting buddy buddy with Liz Cheney killed my enthusiasm entirely and I only showed up to vote against Republicans instead of wanting to vote.
Dems win when they promote hope and energize voters to increase voting turnout. She squandered that momentum.
Go through history: After successive losses Bill Clinton went center on the economy, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Gore when left with climate change and lost. Obama relied on "hope" and won after Bush's disastrous wars. Hillary said she'd have a map room to fight climate change and lost. Biden went center, as you do against an incumbent, and won. Kamala tried to copy Obama's "hope" and energy, but it didn't work because "it's the economy, stupid". *She didn't run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn't help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she still relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights. They couldn't even do that.
Every time the Dems lose it's because they relied on the left that didn't show up, and the Dems only win when they go center.
That's... interesting... I don't know about Bill Clinton, not too familiar with that part of American history, but Gore? Gore won but didn't demand a recount of Florida. Obama relied on leftist policies and wiped the floor with the GOP. Hillary lost because she was a "hold your nose and vote for her" centrist, not because she relied on leftists what the fuck are you even talking about? Harris did the same thing as Hillary and predictably lost.
and even the biden win was just stupidly close given trump literally drove your whole country head first into the top “fucked up the pandemic” spot
Can I find anything about the Biden win being close? I wasn't following that election that closely.
It took the better part of a week for the results to be conclusive.
Go look at the numbers, particularly Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. Biden won those states, but by a razor thin margin. If he had lost those states, he wouldn't have won the electoral college. It would have taken less than 50,000 votes in those states flipping to Trump to change the outcome of the 2020 election.
Of course, that's just the electoral college. Biden won the popular vote by a pretty comfortable margin.
Obama stayed vague and relied on hope and energy. It was enough after Bush's disastrous wars.
More on Obama: So he enacted the ACA. That's great, right? The thanks Obama got for that was to lose the House of Representatives for year 3 and 4. And lose the House of reps again for years 5 and 6. And then lose both the House of reps and the Senate for years 7 and 8. He enacted left policy and: The left never showed up.
Hillary Clinton: So what did Hillary learn from the last 6 years of Obama? She learned that the left never shows up. So she only stuck her head out with a big position to left on the map room to climate change. She basically declared war on climate change. You know that big existential issue that all the leftists care about, right? The big important issue that the left says they want so badly, right? And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters! Aka: The left never shows up.
Harris quite literally tried to copy Obama's hope and energy strategy. She literally hired Obama's campaign strategists. But it didn't work because "it's the economy stupid".
Economy is always first. You're right that's what you need to focus on to get the center. But you also need to be left enough to energize the left to get over the Rs own center and right voters.
This election showed the left 1) will literally never, ever show up, or 2) does not exist. There won't be a left platform for fucking decades.
I mean 2020 is contrary to that. I think leftist "culture" wars are simply not important enough to voters. Leftist economic policy is.
Biden didn't run a left campaign, he ran straight center. He didn't stick his head out at all.
He did some left things while in office, and what did that get him? Polls said he was going to lose. Aka, the left never shows up.
Okay you clearly aren't interested in actually learning anything. Have a good day.
Lol [holds up mirror].
You're trying to pretend that Harris ran to the left because you still think it's the fucking 90s.
What are you smoking? I literally just said: Kamala tried to copy Obama's "hope" and energy, but [it didn't work because] "it's the economy, stupid". She didn't run to the left on policy (because she saw that didn't help Biden after he passed all those left things) but she relied on the left to show up for their human fucking rights and mfing democracy. They couldn't even do that.
Oh I remember you, you're the guy that never makes any sense.
The left DOES show up...but here's the thing...there's not enough of them to make a difference. I know it FEELS like leftism and even progressivism is super duper popular because its omnipresent on the internet but in the real world there just aren't enough of them to matter for national elections outside of a few specific places.
It's like relying on an 8 year old to help you move furniture. You quickly realize that they just aren't strong enough to do much.
Moving to the right just failed spectacularly. Democrats will do it again anyway.
Oh? Who does the canvasing? Who gets their friends to vote? You ignore the cascade effect of lefties on their moderate social circle. Who absolutely eviscerates the dems when then start supporting genocide and procorporate nonsense over working Americans.
Look at how well that worked out.
Kamala didn't appeal to them. Clinton was right: "It's the economy stupid". That's what got Trump in. Trump won on inflation, housing, and (further right) xenophobia.
This is true, and those voters main concern in presidential elections is the economy. According to NBC's exit polling:
Meanwhile only 4% of voters cited foreign policy (which covers the Gaza genocide and Ukraine's defense -- immigration was broken out into a separate category) as their main concern. Even if Harris flipped the big red "stop the genocide" button and brought those single issue voters out of hiding, there's no way they could outnumber the voters who were pissed about the economy.
Frankly, if she was going to have a real chance, she needed to throw Biden under the bus -- and it still might not have made a difference.
If she came out and said she would stop companies fucking their customers, that might have done it.
I think instead she entertained firing Lina Khan?
Yup. 🤦
That 4% represented 25 electoral college votes fam.
But yes the economy as well. Go look at Michigan and Wisconsin and keep the arabs in mind. When you play with your numbers.
And all she had to do was say she'd apply american laws to israel. And not let her campaign shit on arabs. Shame really.
As for the economy... Yeah 'nothing specificly comes to mind' probably isnt the best choice to run. My khan! 😞😮💨