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Win? Move further right. Lose? Move further right.
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I'll never understand why people think the people running the DNC aren't total fucking liars that will say anything for money.
Beating trump isn't hard.
But beating him while grifting a billion dollar campaign funded by the people your voting base hates is very difficult.
Unfortunately when confronted with the choice, the DNC has shown us three elections straight that they'll always pick money over votes.
So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.
If we don't do either 2028 will be exactly the same as the last three elections.
He won three out of four primaries, and two out of three general elections. It seems... pretty fucking hard.
Only hard for those as incompetent as the dnc
Well, he won his own party primaries too, and by a landslide. So it's not just the DNC that can't beat him. People are still trying to play by the old playbook where things like qualifications, competency, and sanity matter. Trump is out there doing something that absolutely works, telling the people whatever they want to hear, regardless of how stupid, impossible, or untrue it is.
Like him or not, one thing is very clear: Trump has basically redefined the political metagame.
Trump plays dirty. He's threaten to run as an independent and split the R vote.
I think at this point, leaving is the only way forward. The DNC/ the DCCC have shown that even given effectively infinite money, they don't have the competence to win elections. They are always willing to rat-fuck popular candidates in favor of establishment candidates. There is no fixing this with Citizens United in place.
Find your local/state Dems, get involved with them, figure out who the conservatives are and replace them... It's not hard, like 10 people vote in those elections... They are the ones who elect DNC leadership, take the local and state parties, take the DNC
Bold to assume we will have another election
Don't you worry, you'll have an election. Even the Germans had elections during their darkest times. That doesn't mean you'll have a choice though.
I lived thru 9/11 and 2016.
For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I've been told we'll never have another election.
Maybe this time the wolf is real, but it's a basic part of human psychology that more and more people will stop having a fear response everytime they hear "wolf".
If we really don't have an election in 2028, we'll have a civil war before 2032. Maybe what comes after will be better than what we have now.
It sucks to live in interesting times, but that's what's happening.
This is literally the day after the election, don't fucking tell me it's too late to plan how to fix shit for 2028
I'd love see a credible source for that, because I don't remember that at all.
I'm from Hungary, and we were told Fidesz won't subvert democracy, won't have total media control, won't have censorship of queer media, and won't have a "foreign agents" law. Now they're planning with Fidesz governance until 2050 (!) at least.
If it were like 2016 I'd be less worried but taking into account what happened with the 2020 election and now facist rhetoric has reached new heights. They want King Trump and I am worried they will get it.
Shit. I was more worried in 2016.
He didn't leave office peacefully, but he still left.
That's how human brains work, we avoided the worst case scenario and life moved on. So we run into the same danger, but the response is lowered.
Which is why Dem turnout was so low this time
I've been saying this would happen for a long time, lots of people were.
The difference is the people running the DNC are just the people who can raise the most money. And the people with psychology degrees rarely have money as a priority.
We need to start having a party run by sociologists, psychologists, hell even go back to lawyers
The current strategy of 80s go-go Reaganites who only care about money ain't working.
Why were you more worried in 2016? He literally attempted to stage a coup and it failed. That's why he left. Did you expect him to start an armed insurrection by himself?
I don't remember "this may be the last election ever" being a mainstream or credible narrative for any election prior to 2020... you know... The one he tried to make the last election ever.
Your comment is exceptionally naive, and probably the same sentiment that lead to Trumps win. Americans are completely ignorant to the reality of the situation; liberals included.
He might have said that line due to his mental decay, but it's still troubling. I wouldn't be surprized if he either used his new found powers to make himself the king of the US, or just discontinued the elections due to some sham "emergency measures". If any of these comes true, the worlds only hope is that allegedly the US military is more left-leaning, at least compared to the US police that is packed full of ex-KKK members and ex-skinheads.
The main reason not to worry too much about Trump staying in office after this term is that his health makes it very unlikely that he will survive significantly longer than this term based on age alone. Or in other words even as a dictator for life he wouldn't last much longer than roughly one term. The real question is what kind of damage he can do to the system within that time.
The issue is, who comes after him, and in what way. Will it be an election, will it be one of his deadbeat sons, or JD Vance?
Project 2025 is a thing. They know better this time. We're probably fucked.
people have been beating this drum for decades and i, for today only, am wondering if it's having any impact despite it being completely true and easy to see.
It won't. If there's anything I've learned, it's that a large majority of the Democratic Party voter base is just as dumb and addicted to propoganda as the GOP's. The people who are so happy to call anyone with a genuine critique a Russian shill, who believed that Biden had to lead the ticket "no matter what," who cheered when Harris went further right to snap up conservative voters; these people also treat politics like a sport and think their side can do no wrong. They feel smug and superior because "they're not dumb enough to vote for Trump," as if that makes them immune to propoganda.
My plan is to leave. Maybe other countries have a chance still, but the U.S. does not.
And which other country do you have in mind where the right-wing parties aren't growing in influence or have already done massive damage (as with Brexit in the UK)?
There are none, as far as I am aware. I'm closest to Canada, and it's where I plan to flee. I'm pretty certain Justin Trudeau is going to repeat Biden's blunder beat for beat, except he won't pull out and will just lose, but I don't think the fate of Canada hinges on the next election. There is still time to fight back at least. I don't think there is any time left for the U.S.
Find your local/state Dems, get involved with them, figure out who the conservatives are and replace them... It's not hard, like 10 people vote in those elections... They are the ones who elect DNC leadership, take the local and state parties, take the DNC
Lol, you haven't heard what the "victory fund" really is yet, have you?
The state parties have to toe the line, or they're abandoned.
Terrible strategy if the plan is getting Dems in office, great move if you're blocking any real progress in exchange for ~~bribes~~ donations.
They'll be abandoned by the big corporate donors, but that's the point... They need a message so popular that real people will support them with money and votes
We just started skipping the step where we pick a candidate people want to vote for, and jump straight to fundraising and then never get around to focusing on using the money to get votes.
The modern DNC literally only cares about money and it keeps letting trump get elected
Oh wise one, what would you have done different? Explain the ways to me so we can understand.