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On more than 30 occasions, the United Nations Assembly has discussed the blockade against Cuba, which costs the island 5 billion dollars annually, according to some estimates. Every year the resolution is proposed and the whole world, through the vote of the absolute majority of the member countries of the United Nations General Assembly, has condemned the imperialist attitude of the United States towards Cuba.

edit: result of the vote: https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/system/cache/media_attachments/files/113/398/372/180/881/996/original/82c4d1f509e933fa.jpg

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[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

If only UN wasn't completely useless to the point of not doing anything

The UN is, like marginally more effective than the League of Nations was. Which is to say: nearly completely meaningless.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

What would it do? And how would it enforce its decisions?

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Simple, prevent wars. Kick leaders in the balls. Lessen human suffering and violence.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago
[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I'm not here to argue a hypothetical with someone who "just asks questions".

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not "just asking questions" - it's the "Socratic method". I'm trying to get you to see the answer - that there is no answer.

What you seek is impossible. You want "no wars" but you need somebody who can stop nations from going to war - which requires the ability and willingness to wage war and win. A hegemony that rules over everyone and is a super-power in itself.

This is how the police work in most nations. The state has a "monopoly on violence" to enforce the laws so that citizens don't go all "Hatfield & McCoy".

This was also the plot of the first half of the book Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke (an excellent read - I highly recommend it).

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago
[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

This response from the guy who said Simple, prevent wars..

I'm wasting my time.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Yours and mine. Next time don't ask questions about a hypothetical like some "ackschually" nerd.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

You're absolutely right. In retrospect I should have known better than to engage with somebody saying "why doesn't the UN just stop wars?"

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

If only you could read, you would know I never said that.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Simple, prevent wars.

You sure did say it.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Every conversation on the Internet will eventually devolve into an argument over who said what.

I was paraphrasing "Simple, prevent wars. Kick leaders in the balls. Lessen human suffering and violence." Specifically the first part. If you meant something else I invite you to clarify. But so far you didn't seem to have developed your thoughts past "prevent wars" and "the UN is useless".

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How do you think the UN would be able to "prevent wars. Kick leaders in the balls. Lessen human suffering and violence."?

What methods would it use to achieve those goals?

"Simple. Just do it" is not an answer.

[-] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

So, UN would?

But then all the major powers woukd exit cuz this doesn't suit them, and the UN would be useless again.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

if only the UN wasn't so useless

It's actually a scam that it is pointless. All it does is it creates an illusion of discourse when there is none - the "big boys" will still do whatever suits them best - be it China, Russia, US.

[-] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

The whole point of creating it was so that at least everyone gets to talk.

Any union that would force any sort of rules couldn't exist. But a one with no commitments does exist, and countries talk, and sometimes things happen when it's not in a direct conflict of major powers.

Lemmy somehow always imagines some higher international power existing and also that power somehow ruling in accordance with their beliefs. I'm not sure how they imagine that would actually work and who would enforce the order.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah you say all that and yet the UN is still useless. It hasn't prevented wars. The peacekeepers do jack shit. It's about as effective as thoughts and prayers - after all, everything that can be done is "talk".

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