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This is 100% just me having a Pavlovian response to that word, but is there even the slimmest chance I could interest you in reading Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Friedrich Engels? Here's a text online and here's a great, free audiobook.
You are right that FALGSC is a utopian idea (depending on what specifically you mean) and therefore not relevant, but it's so not relevant that I wonder why you mention it?
Oh, right, okay, that makes sense. I think you have misconceptions about Marxism if you believe Marxists would not describe their views in roughly these terms. The text I linked discusses that topic in some level of detail, in the broader context of historical social progress and other socialist theorists.
No, I mentioned it because I know that the ideas are compatible. They don't necessitate each other though. The economic system does not matter if (!) you can achieve the goals otherwise and was a direct reply to the idea that I might be anti communist which is obviously not the case. The full answer to this is much more complicated though.
That "if" does a lot of work, as you allude to, and also happens to be relevant to the text I linked since it turns out politics and economics aren't separable except as mental abstractions. I'm not a communist because I want co-ops (I think they are fine but overrated by radlibs and a small number of leftists), I'm a communist because I believe the class that should control the state should be the proletariat (by means of democracy, since they are the vast majority) rather than the bourgeoisie (who control it in neoliberal states by buying out politicians and media), and "ownership" of the means of production is secondary to this. The proletariat controls what the bourgeoisie "own" if the proletariat controls the state and use it against the bourgeoisie such that the latter only persist as a class at the convenience of the former.
I don't see how you think the economic system doesn't matter? That's a BIG if