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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

yeah its called capital accumulation, here's how it works:

A ~~cabal~~ conservative institution of international rich people don't want to pay taxes on their enormous wealth so they're spending some of their money to prop up nazis, religious freaks, and insane conspiracy theorists to drown out common sense economic policy and pin the blame on minorities and a departure from religious orthodoxy.

Obviously persecuting people on these grounds makes the situation worse and people don't want to be the next scapegoat so they fall in line (face eating leopard logic, etc.) but because we're removing the most exploitable workers from the economy the economy spirals, creating the need for more scapegoats. Fascism in a nutshell.

In the long term its self destructive to every society that allows it but in the short term they get another hour of power.

[–] sakodak@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The slightest bit of material analysis exposes the whole thing, but the minute you add "Marxist" to that sentence everyone shuts their brain off because of over a century of red scare nonsense. As designed.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the minute you add "Marxist" to that sentence everyone shuts their brain off because of over a century of red scare nonsense. As designed.

Which is a real shame, because collectivist systems are the only way we can survive long-term on this planet. Collectivist systems allow us to pool resources and consumption, allowing more people to subsist at the same level of comfort while using far less.

One of the biggest scams ever perpetrated on humanity (other than religion, that is) is the adoption of an economic system that demands infinite growth on a finite planet. In the real world, such as when looking at population dynamics, these systems always lead to catastrophic collapses that eviscerate that population and frequently produces long-term damage to the local ecosystem that prevents said population from easily recovering. Or recovering at all, if we’re talking about a species of megafauna (over 45Kg, on average).

Most megafauna that significantly overshoot go extinct, and humanity entered overshoot at the 2B population point early last century. With how we have damaged the ecosystem, the planet’s natural carrying capacity has probably declined to less than 1B humans. This is particularly concerning because any end-stage economic crash (via the chaotic weather of climate change) will lead to a population crash (with the failure of agriculture at scale and the international trade that supplies us with 90+% of all food), and will also destroy any ability to produce and maintain the technology that allows us to artificially exceed the planet’s carrying capacity via agriculture at scale. I would be very surprised if humanity still exceeds 2B people by the end of this century.

[–] sakodak@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're preaching to the choir here, friend. I've been trying to shake people on the shoulders and get them to understand this for a while now.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've been trying that for almost 30 years now and it's clear that shoulder shaking doesn't work well and I wish I knew what did

[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Top comment here. I was thinking along very similar lines in my commute to work this morning. The polarization that never ends or decreases seems to me to be purely a tool for rich elites to divide and conquer the general population.

The only minor asterisk I would add to your post is that I have personally been trying to avoid the term "cabal" because it can be accused of being an antisemitic dogwhistle. I don't think you meant it this way, but wanted to alert you to that possible interpretation. In fact, I heard something a little while back that some people even claim that decrying "elites" in general is antisemitic. I don't agree with this, but I think it's a good idea to keep this in mind to try to prevent that line of attack.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

That's a fair point. The race science freaks are always trying to distort these things when in reality its usually like a conservative media, religious, or academic institution that facilitates and coordinates these projects: the federalist society, opus dei, the heritage foundation, fox news, xitter, etc.

[–] TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And let's not forget that lies are a lot cheaper to create and spread than the truth. They even propagate themselves, or rather, people will do it for you, in their free time, expecting nothing in return. They'll spin and develop them further and further, just like that. It must totally make sense for any top capitalist to harness this free energy.