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So, she's 13 and we're blaming the lack.of abortion as the problem? SHE'S 13! That should be the problem.
EDIT: What's really disturbing is that people on this thread care more about abortion rights that the fact that a 12 year old was raped. You SICK FUCKS!
They can both be problems. We're not limited to just one.
Stopping rape is a slightly more complex problem than lack of access to abortion, considering the latter was significantly less of a problem last year.
It's a sick world that someone would rape a 12 or 13 year old. I still think this article focuses on the wrong issue. If I were President, I'd lead a charge to make raping a minor a federal death penalty issue.
Jesus dude, women get raped all the time. Thousands of girls, boys, men, children are raped every day. I’ve been raped. We’re immersed in rape because our species rapes a lot.
This isn’t about YOUR anger or YOUR penalties if YOU were president. This isn’t about you at all! This is about the tragic consequences of abolishing humane medical care and support for people in need. You know, “the least of us” that the christian nationalists love to crucify. Take yourself out of this story and try to find a loving response.
What issue would you rather have the article focus on? The fact that a 13 year old can’t get an abortion after being raped and now she has to deal with the repercussions of this act for. the. rest. of. her. life. is the natural outgrowth of these anti-abortion laws. Most people know rape is bad, and raping 13 year olds is really bad. Most people also probably don’t know or have exposure to 13-year-old moms whose children are the product of rape. Now, at least, we can read about them and maybe, just maybe, question whether this is really the path we want to go down (I say “we” but I can say for certain it’s not the path I want to go down).
The biggest issue for me is the rape. My sister was raped by my dad when she was that age. Fortunately, she never got pregnant. It destroyed my family. That's probably why that's a bugger issue for me..
So if she had gotten pregnant, would access to abortion be a bigger issue for you?
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Shhhh.
The adults are discussing important matters. Unlike yourself who's working hard at being obtuse.
Well, she was raped, so I don’t really know what her age has to do with it here (other than to make it maybe subjectively more bad than just regular old adult-on-adult rape, but I digress).
First, whoever raped her belongs in that special level of Hell reserved for rapists, child molesters and Justin Beiber fans. I've said this before, there should always be an exemption for rape, incest and medical necessity. This is one area that I disagree with other fellow conservatives. It's a fucking disgrace that there aren't exceptions.
Nope, my son is 12.
Ah, so then you understand that by definition, only medical doctors are able to decide what is and isn't a medical necessity, and therefore how unreasonable it is that anyone else besides doctor and patient would think they should have a say in the matter? Great, glad we got that settled!
By medical necessity, I mean if the mothers life is in danger or the child is not going to make it.
Exactly. And since a medical doctor is the one who is qualified to determine what would risk a pregnant woman's life, none of us could possibly have a say in the matter because we're not qualified to do so.
I'm very happy to be able to find some common ground with a conservative on this fine day. I also do not listen to Justin Bieber songs. Let's keep searching for more common ground and unite our feuding peoples. We can do this!
How much danger? How immediate?
What's the line between medical necessity and medical advisability? When do things become a necessity? Take something like the water breaking at 17 weeks. Is an abortion an immediate medical necessity even though the woman's life isn't yet in immediate danger?
What happens to doctors when courts decide that they fell on the wrong side of that line?
The problem with things like this is that drawing the line badly or fuzzily and medical mistakes lead to women dying. Abortion was legalized in Ireland after one mistake like that, when doctors didn't want to violate the ill-specified law and erred on the side of intervening too late. The mother died.
It’s ONE of the problems. Along with a child being raped and the police donning jack all until the press contacted them, and then they did the bare minimum. And the fact she had to have this baby she doesn’t want and can’t care for is now her lifelong problem. And a lot more women and children like this girl are gonna have to bear children they don’t want because of these abortion laws.
Please clarify.