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Israeli strikes kill 492 in heaviest daily toll in Lebanon since 1975-90 civil war
(www.theguardian.com)
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I'll just include the top two points - they're the most relevant.
I went through it - it's pretty fucking bleak which makes it even more important to avoid confirming the persecution bias on both sides
There's actually more if you click on "findings" or "sample report" at the bottom of the page, but you get the idea now. The former gets you to the actual survey results.
Before I continue I'll make it clear: I'm not trying to advocate for "push them into the sea" rhetoric or saying that peace is impossible, and I certainly don't think atrocities committed on either side are justified. That said, we need to understand the situation without any illusions or overoptimism before we can start discussing solutions.
True to a degree, but it also shows that "the majority of Israelis support genocide in Palestine" is a proven fact. From these results we know that, for example, ideas along the lines of "this is completely or mostly Netanyahu's fault and can't be used to judge the Israeli public" are wrong, because unfortunately Netanyahu's actions in the war are representing Israeli popular will. This means we'll never get a real solution to this conflict, at least in the next few decades, by leaving Israel to its own devices. More heavy handed measures, a la South Africa, are necessary.
Literally what I clicked on to copy out those two points. The rest are more of the same with varying degrees of nuance.
It very much does not prove that. It says that 81% support current Israeli actions - as viewed by Israelis who very much do not believe there is a genocide going on there. If you can't comprehend the difference between those two statements then there is no conversation or intelligent discussion to be had here.
They're definitely aware of the situation in Gaza (and now the West Bank) to a degree, though with a healthy dose of propaganda; they just don't consider it genocide.