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Macron names right-leaning French government under Michel Barnier
(www.theguardian.com)
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Technically the left didn't win the majority of seat in the parliament. They have a relative majority as in they are the biggest group in parliament by a small margin but they don't have the majority needed to make a stable government.
A majority vote from the parliament can oust the PM and his government.
If you take all the right wing parties, they hold the majority of seats (2/3rd). A left leaning government would last 48 hours, so in spite of french leftists telling everyone they "won", they didn't.
Our electoral system is very flawed though and the current make up of the parliament is not representative of what people want, there are much better voting system for plurality based political system that could be implemented.
That's my point. In a multiparty system, it's rare for a party to win a majority. So someone can win even though the majority prefers a different person.
For example, suppose there are three candidates A,B, and C. It's possible for 60% to prefer A over B, 60% to prefer B over C, and 60% to prefer C over A. No matter who wins, a majority agrees that they are worse than another candidate.
There are other voting system than first past the post like Condorcet, coda, etc.. nothing is a absolutely perfect but some system will be closer.
None of those can avoid the situation I described above where a majority oppose the winner.
In every country the biggest party would be the one that would at least get a first shot at forming a government.
And if the leader of the second biggest party would rather work with the third biggest party?
Then the biggest party could well remain out of government, because someone decided that a different coalition would form the government.
The virtue of a two party popular vote is that once the votes are counted there is a clear winner determined by the voters, and nobody can change the winner behind the scenes.
As long as the coalition represents the majority, I don't see why the largest party needs to be part of the government. The largest party doesn't represent the will of the people by itself, otherwise they would have a majority.
Yes, that ends up happening sometimes, but the winner will at least be allowed to try.
Coalition building happens in a two party system, too. The difference is that it happens before the election, not after. That way the voters, not the coalition builders, get the final say.
In a two party system the power balance within the coalition is decided behind closed doors and the voters have no say in it
That's true, but they have complete control of who wins the election.
Two choices is not complete control
The winner of the election reflects the will of the majority of voters. That's the most control you can get in a democracy.
Lol, sure it does
They did. They proposed a candidate and she wasn't accepted.
Counter examples exist. Willy Brandt was social-democratic German chancellor in a coalition with the liberals while the conservatives were the biggest party in parliament. The conservatives could only watch.
Also recent state elections in Thuringia, the fascist AfD is the biggest party but nobody wants to work with them, so they don't get a chance to form a government.
What's important in both cases: the majority of voters want it that way. They wanted a social-democratic+liberal government under Willy Brandt and there is a clear majority in Thuringia that don't want the AfD to govern. In both cases it's more democratic to not let the biggest party govern.
Germany
Cite some example
Check Poland's last parliamentary election.
So exactly the opposite of what you said.
The party with the largest number or seat didn't get to make a government and the largest coalition who managed to get a majority of seats did.
They did get thay opportunity from the president. The prime minister didn't get a vote of confidence after a month of trying to pull a majority together. But they did get a chance, unlike french left.
Oh so a right wing president tried to push a right wing PM against a majority left leaning parliament disregarding the vote result and failed ?
You have weird notions of what makes good governance.