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I'm sure 99.99% of Russian immigrants aren't spies. Bringing in Russians genuinely damages Russia's ability to carry out the war though; they're down to a 2.6% unemployment rate and real wages are up like 40%.
They're taking significant measures to get soldiers and labor, and the more Russians flee, the more they have to do to get labor and troops.
Well technically they don't 'have' to do that, ie: if Putin put his dick back in his pants and shut down the war, Russian citizens wouldn't be leaving en masse.
Well yes, of course, just as Zelenskyy could end the people fleeing Ukraine by accepting a peace deal.
The same applies to the west not accepting Ukraine's extradition requests of its draft dodgers so far.
Every bomb and soldier that enters the conflict, on either side, is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians.
But no bona fide peace deal has been put on the table. Putin's demands have and that's it.
So not the same things at all.
Since 2022, they've said they're willing to give up a portion of the territory they've occupied in peace negotiations. Ukraine demands all of their former territory, including Crimea.
Zelensky is just as capable of ending this as Putin is.
Proof?
Zelenskyy saying they'll fight until they take Crimea in 2022 and 2024.
There's 3 parties that can unilaterally end the war here, Putin, by just going home and abandoning Crimea and the occupied parts of Ukraine, Zelensky, by accepting peace and giving up the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, and America, by not trying to fight Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.
But there's other actions that are helping, such as Hungary and Georgia by taking Russian draft dodgers and the rest of the EU by taking Ukrainian draft dodgers.
That would probably lead to more people fleeing Ukraine.
Are you suggesting that if Ukraine let go of the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine that Russia occupies, people living in those areas would flee, or that people would flee Ukraine proper in the event of peace?
Neither scenario makes sense to me, why would you expect more people would leave if the bombs stopped?
The first one. Many people wouldn't want to live under Russian regime, also they would be afraid of retribution for resistance. Russian speaking is not the same as Russian.
They will be in fear if Ukraine rules over them too, there was no shortage of war-crimes being committed against the civilians before the 2022 invasion.
But in either scenario, they will be in less fear than if they're literally being shelled.
Don't get me wrong, I actually don't mind Russians being able to make a better life for themselves, I'm happy for them if they can leave and move and be happy.
It's just that Russian spies have been moving openly in Budapest, several years ago there was this one guy who defaced a Soviet monument - that IMO has no place standing outside a museum, much less Freedom Square in Budapest. A random Chechen without ID or documentation or a reason for being in the country or Schengen appeared and coerced the guy to apologize publicly.
It's a disgrace that an undocumented Russian citizen can appear in an EU country, brazenly commit a crime of coercion against an EU citizen while livestreaming it on Youtube, and the authorities of said country just stand by doing nothing and covering for him.
All I'm saying is that I have no illusions of the intentions of Hungary's government in removing all visa restrictions, specifically and only for Russian and Belarusian citizens.