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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ive been to a few punk shows but there were no nazis. Majority of the dudes were pretty skinny.

The meme of punks fighting nazis is the same as every group that age. You walk into a bar wearing the wrong sports jersey and you're getting punched. Ive been punched over not giving someone a lighter. Young males will fight for any reason. Once people stop being 21 and drunk it becomes less action and more talk.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good now that you understand the historical context, you just might understand what's been happening around the world currently. Maybe even you'll start to understand that going to a few punk rock shows doesn't reflect on the rest of the world at large.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/theres-more-than-we-think-infiltrating-the-australian-neo-nazi-movement/

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/07/23/annoy-them-even-more-german-punks-invade-holiday-island-favoured-by-elites/

Archive of the above here https://archive.is/4grey

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl7yy2zevy2o

And since I'm tired of finding sources to educate you here's a timeline of events

https://counter-currents.com/2023/12/the-punk-rock-roots-of-punching-nazis/

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You aren't "finding sources" you are googling something then picking headlines you think are relevant. Don't act like you are trying to educate anyone. I doubt you read a single think you linked.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

You're not reading the articles or using context clues. See we can both diminish and dismiss each other.