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I think without knowing why she lost the child, it's not right to call her a victim before the child. For all you know, she was worse than him. Which, stands to reason.
Until I know, there is one victim. Your stance is conjecture. Mine is withholding judgement with reason. I won't go into gender politics of custody and why there are red flags to begin with here; until we know why she lost custody to this (now) clear piece of shit and not to foster care...
There is one victim (dead child). And one culprit (the state).
Should the mother have been a decent mother, drug addicted but loving and providing, not abusive, etc, the there are two victims, and two counts against the state.
I am not going to jump to conclusions, especially when the available evidence (the fact that she lost custody to a deadbeat lunatic) suggests otherwise.
The mother could equally be a perpetrator or a victim. We don't know yet.
You already did.
No, I have remained purposely impartial.
Protip, don't try and become a lawyer.
We have no evidence to sway us between "mom was worse than dad" and "mom is a victim". (In fact the available evidence suggests mom was so bad that dads psychopathic character didn't shine through as less safe from Mom than foster care. I've been generous to Mom given this and, again, not going into gender politics of custody battles...).
I understand you're trying to be empathetic. I'm trying to preserve justice for a tortured, dead child. Until we don't know mom wasnt worse, we remain impartial.
You may be right, mom may be a victim. But you may be doing a dead child a severe disservice. Withhold your judgement without facts present, please.
Was Dad's cousin the DA? that changes things. We dont know. And until we do, we examine the available evidence.
Until more evidence is presented publicly, mom is not a victim. That doesn't mean she can't be, and I have left that window open. On purpose.
The known victim is a dead child. We proceed with respect to known victims so as to remain impartial.
I used to be an investigator for a child and family services agency.
Please stop trying to tell me who is a victim and who isn't.
There is one victim here until we know more.
Stick to child services and dont get into law.