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BadEmpanada is mad Hasan went to the DNC, I guess.
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Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.
AOC supports Kamala for president, Hasan does not. Before Kamala's speech, Hasan said "I'll wait and see" with respect to whether he supports Kamala, but now, he is very vocal about the fact that he does not support Kamala for president.
Or maybe you meant Hasan is following in AOC's footsteps in some other way?
to be fair, wait and see is a deeply unserious position on Kamala. I think it is fair to say that is triangulation. There was plenty of information on Kamala's stances.
As I said, he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but is also still trying to stay acceptable to the Democratic party overall, since that's who his audience is. Eventually he will get co-opted just like AOC did.
What is wrong with advocating for Palestinian emancipation with other protestors outside the DNC, inside the DNC, and with the Uncommitted movement outside the DNC, and then getting kicked out for it?
The statement is pretty vague, do you have a specific example of something Hasan did or said at or outside of the DNC that you take issue with?
don't bother their analysis is purely vibes based and completely uninformed. theres a huge difference between AOC stanning for kid killer kamala and Hasan literally trying to infiltrate the DNC to provide a single pro-palestinian voice on the inside, and getting kicked out for interviewing the excluded protestors and uncommmitted movement. literally just watch a single stream or video of his, he is CONSTANTLY criticizing democrats, more often than republicans. its not just some kind of '''triangulation''' thing, hasan is literally doing what a journalist is supposed to do in this situation, bringing the pro palestine anti genocide message to people who would otherwise not have heard it. idk what idiot footfaults got this opinion from because it sure as shit didn't come from actually watching hasan.
what part of infiltrating the DNC to spread pro-palestine arguments requires him hugging the pod jons and giving AOC a platform to spew her bullshit
he explicitly says all the time that he is overly nice to people on camera even when he disagrees with them so that he can hopefully deprogram their followers. its like you don't understand the concept of media or propaganda, or are being intentionally obtuse.
also, i think there's a fundamental disconnect from Hasan and his fans who see the DNC libs as annoying and misinformed but fundamentally OK people.
I, and other hardline communists, see the US as a fourth reich and the DNC as little Nazi genocidal fucks. When I see someone who is supposed to be "on my side" cozying up with them and hugging them, I don't think "wow so glad he is de-radicalizing those fascists" I think "what the fuck is this rich shithead doing? Is he a traitor to our cause like all the other people who schmooze up to the nazis have been historically"
the opposite is happening, his followers are being programmed to being more complacent and OK with podjons and DNC "progressives"
if thats the plan then someone at the DNC has clearly fucked up
have they? they've made half the people on a supposedly "leftist" forum defend statements like "he's on the fence about Kamala and waiting until she changes her mind on genocide to endorse her"
Like imagine saying something that stupid with a straight face. Never would have happened before Hasan
yep. because they had an aoc in their hands and kicked her out of their convention.
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i take issue with him setting up interviews with AOC and hanging out with the Pod Jons and hugging them and doing networking
I don’t take issue with him because he’s constantly attacking the dems, raising money for Palestine, was a guest on the Deprogram, and straight up said in a recent stream that “the revolution won’t be voted in”.
you don't take issue with him because he's hot and your "friend"
everything else is ad hoc
What? lol
I’m not even a rabid follower of his stuff and like I said in the OP, dude’s not perfect, but he isn’t nearly as bad as people talk about.
I didn't say that was wrong. You are deliberately twisting what I said.
What I was trying to highlight is that you can't hold that position, but then also try and be friendly with the Democratic Party enough that they give you a press pass (he claims they gave it to him by accident?!?). Like you have to acknowledge that can have a chilling effect on speech. Giving him access, there's a strong temptation to self-censor in order to not upset the Convention organizers. They eventually they kicked him out over the slightest of criticism anyway.
So in the end, what serves the cause more? Trying to be on "good behavior" so you don't get kicked out (and get kicked out anyway)? Or being on the outside and demonstrating and not self censoring?
lmao bro he's just a streamer. At least, unlike badempanada he doesn't spend half his time being insufferable and punching left and hating on every still standing socialist government while being an expat living a cushy life in south America by pandering to self hating western anti-communists that want to also act like the smartest most ultra left children online.
fuck them both but fuck BadEmpanada more for larping like the most principled leftist ever while basically just being a whiny little twerp on the internet all the time.
tell that to his defenders here, because half the comments are about how he is the vanguard of the revolution and doing heckin praxis
You want your cake and eat it too. Is Hassan a serious political subject? Then he is open for criticism for being a radlib DNC bootlicker. Is he just a silly streamer? Then why are people here making these dumbass arguments about how he is working towards communism with twitch characteristics?
what vanguard? there's no vanguard in the anglosphere. Communism has no foothold in America. 0.000% of Communism has been built here
tell that to the users in here talking about how much epic praxis he's doing (including you, who say he's a "pipeline"). If he's a "pipeline" then where that pipeline is dumping people out to is open to criticism. I don't see the point of moving people from one radlib camp to another, it's just celebrity parasocial shit combined with all the identitarian flavors of ideology to feel special. It's all radlib shit and it's actually damaging to any forming left because you have a bunch of would-be leftists in here making zionist-adjacent arguments filled with credulity like "He was on the fence about Kamala".
Anybody who is "on the fence about Kamala" isn't a Marxist or is lying. Anybody in here defending that shit is so attached to his dick they can't think straight and are shrinking into a DNC progressive corncob
he radicalized my brother, so I'm just speaking from experience. Let he (on the splinter site from their subreddit) who has never listened to Chapo Trap House throw the first stone
He has radicalized some people, which is GOOD but c'mon that doesn't shield him from critique.
Like, even my critique of him is after watching a ton of his clips about the DNC and Kamala and Gaza but that doesn't make him impervious to critique.
I'm not saying don't watch him, or that he's bad.
100%. He’s not immune and he’s made some wack moves and has some wack views. I think some of the shit he did at the DNC and was unambiguously cringe, like the stuff with the PodJons. I think he did lend too much benefit-of-the-doubt to the Harris campaign, but has since course-corrected after her campaign was entirely disambiguated.
I just think his presence and role is an overall positive for the American socialist movement in the state it is, and my anecdotal experience shows him successfully moving people outside of the confines of liberalism, so I’m willing to lend him an assumption of good faith at the very least due to that.
Don't bother with these nerds. Dickriding BadEmpanada is just a cringe as being a Hasan fan all these streamers can fuck off but if anyone is pretending someone is a vanguard it's these chucklefucks defending their favorite ultraleft settler streamer expat living off the backs of folks in the global south.
All these people desperately need to fucking touch grass.
Seek grass
that's my line
you guys are the ones defending the guy who streams 10 hours a day and has a bunch of children glued to their computers and phones
You're the one defending a dipshit streamer that does nothing but sit in his gamer chair and punch left more than anything else these days while trying to cosplay as the most principled leftist in the room and actually doing zero praxis IRL. At least Hasan doesn't pretend to be anything more than a pseudo-left himbo streamer.
Stay in your fuckin lane.
I never defended BE, lmao. Both of them are dumbasses and I hate all streamers. Please read closer next time
You are literally doing that right now in this thread by endorsing his hypocritical comments about Hasan.
Both can get fucked but BE is objectively worse.
"endorsing his comments"
Lmao i'm just mocking Hasan for being a DNC shill. Just because some dumbass ultra also has that criticism doesn't make it wrong.
So whenever an ultra and a radlib are squabbling we have to pick a side apparently? How about they both shut the fuck up? Is that not an option? I'm not the one who decided to make a thread white-knighting one of the sides and filled it with radlib users making credulous dipshit arguments like "Hasan was on the fence about Kamala"
Oh so he was on the fence about genocide and if she said enough nice words he would support the genocidal party? This is why people on this site hate Hassan and his defenders, it makes you say dumb ass shit like this. He cozies up to the DNC, and you cozy up to him, and by association you are now making quasi-pro-genocidal arguments. Like your parasocial attachment has made you 35% more zionist.
He was waiting to see specifically whether or not she'd change policies on genocide
then he's stupid, and he should know better, because she was never going to do that. What she might have done, if she wanted to appeal to youth voters, is give lip service to holding Israel accountable, like Obama and Reagan other presidents have done in the past. And if she did that he would be giving her kudos and promoting her.
This level of incredulity and naivety is frustrating to deal with. You and I and Hassan should all know Democrats are never ever going to fucking stop supporting Israel. If Hassan doesn't know that, he's a stupid radlib. If he does, he's a networking grifter. There's no good world where someone smart and marxist holds out hope Kamala will become anti-imperialist randomly.
I suppose it depends on whether he had any real expectation that she would be anything other than a supporter of Zionism to the hilt. If he thought she was anything else, he was foolish. But if he just wanted to set up his lib followers for radicalizing disappointment, that is not a bad strategy for a humble Twitch streamer lol. It's the same basic steps that netted us a bunch of new commies when Bernie (a Zionist socdem!) was ratfucked.
Why are you attributing this 5d chess to him? If Kamala had been tactical and instead offered lip service to 'hold israel accountable' or some shit he's pitched a slowball to the DNC to hit it out of the park. They just didn't even swing, because they don't care about youth voters whatsoever. Hasan was trying to give the DNC the path out, telling them exactly how to sheepdog his viewers back in, and they scorned him - but if they had instead accepted his offer and given lipservice to the anti-zionists then they would have eaten it up
I don't think it's 5D chess to go, "let the libs prove to my audience that they will do the bad things" instead of "I will tell my audience the libs will do bad things". Do you think this is a complex strategy?
If you re-read my comment, you will also find that I offered two scenarios and did not attribute anything to him.
Either way he has pitched himself content to criticize. And there is no difference in that regardless of whether he would say "wait and see" vs. "they won't oppose the genocide".
Their version of lip service is what they got. Feigned regret about death "on both sides" and then a clearly Zionist position. They said it was yime to end the "war". It sounds like you're imagining they bring out a Palestinian comprador to say "ceasefire" and condemn Hamas, but I don't think that would have the result you imagine.
Reagan and Obama held Israel on a tighter leash, which would not have been an unreasonable expectation at all of Kamala. Nobody expected her to put on a Hamas headband and invade Tel Aviv, but compared to the uniquely fanatical zionist Biden it would not have surprised me to see Kamala do the bare minimum and actually take action to stop Israel's current onslaught.
I want to +1 this. My expectation was that Kamala would try and triangulate on Gaza by saddling Biden with all the bad decisions, make some noise about Gaza and put Israel on a tighter leash. Do just enough to put one over on the uncommitted movement by making some symbolic gestures and reap the rewards.
But instead, no, she goes with maximalist support for Israel and the current policy.
This is what Hasan was hoping for too, so he could endorse her. She didn't give it to him
I think that there have been plenty of times before the Convention where it was made very clear that she's not going to change direction.
I felt this way, and for me personally it was the "I'm speaking" moment where it became clear to me. That was at least a couple weeks before the Convention.