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this post was submitted on 13 Aug 2024
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Racing is pretty objective. Clocks don't give opinions.
There is still subjectivity in racing. When fouls are committed it’s still a human who has to check the infraction and interpret the rules.
According to an algorithm which could be expressed as a few lines of code. What is the algorithm to judge "style"?
Deciding upon a distance, starting method, surface, and season for the race all introduces subjectivity
Variation in objective race conditions does not equal subjectivity. People can have subjective preferences about what type of race would be best to run, but once decided, the outcome is objective. One person factually reaches the finish line first. They are objectively the winner.
Everything you mentioned can be rigorously defined in terms of time, position, velocity, angle. If, in a certain race, the rules are poorly defined, or if the relevant information is not known to the judges with sufficient precision and accuracy, or if the judges are incompetent, then sure, subjectivity could be introduced into some particular race. But it is possible in theory to eliminate subjectivity from racing, if care is taken to do so. It is not conceivably possible to eliminate subjectivity from an aesthetic judgement about "style."
If you can define style rigorously in terms of measurable properties, so that there can be no possibility of disagreement between two equally qualified judges of style, then I have no problem with style being used as a criterion of winning a sport.
If you can't define style objectively, then whether you win or lose does not necessarily depend on how you performed. It depends, at least in part, on the arbitrary opinion of whichever judge happened to be in charge that day. You can try to learn what each judge likes and adapt accordingly, but a judge's aesthetic preferences could change unpredictably, and even if they didn't, the game has still become "predict what this judge will like" rather than "perform best within these parameters."
That, to me, ruins the sport and takes the fun away. You can have all the beautiful displays of athletic artistry in a stadium you like, but if the difference between winning and losing is some guy's vibes, then don't call it a sport. It's a pageant.
I did read everything you wrote, and I said that the outcome depends "at least in part" on the aesthetic preferences of the judge, not wholly. But whatever, you obviously just want to be angry. Not sure what I'm supposed to look up here.
Doing your routine in your own style is great. Putting in work to know what judges look for is fine. Needing to know what this judge prefers over that judge is my problem. And though they are experts (I never said otherwise), there are nevertheless differences in opinion about style. These differences in opinion are sometimes (probably pretty rarely) the difference between winning and losing. And that's my complaint.
If you can throw a javelin 100 meters while doing a spirited Irish jig, then wow. How entertaining. Do that. If you can throw a javelin 100 meters but lose to the guy who threw it 99.9 meters, but he did a Scottish jig while he threw it, and the judge is from Scotland, you'd be upset. Wouldn't you?
TBH, I don't really watch any sports at all, but if I did, you're right, I would be more inclined to watch competitive accounting or poker than figure skating, for this very reason.