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Religion of peace
I've never actually heard anyone use that line except people in alt-right circles, and I am around a lot of Muslims. It is not a term Muslims use to describe their religion, not that they would describe it differently, just that it is a strange description. It would be like calling Canada "the country of peace", which I guess is technically true because most countries want to avoid war and promote peace? But does not mean their military is non-violent.
The line is clearly used for the intent of creating a false contrast to make some made up point about hypocrisy.
Also as the other commenter pointed out, you are making a critique about the middle East, everyone agrees the middle East is dysfunctional.
Um, islam and peace in Arabic both come from the Arabic root س ل م, so to say that they aren't related is just wrong.
Most religions have/had a very strong violent aspect directly related to them. (Crusades, Israel's Torah "backed" colonization, India creating a hindu state, etc.).
Everyone is free to believe what they want but imposing something on others is not cool :/
True enough, but it also means "surrender", and that's the intended meaning: surrendering your will to Allah.
I don't like centralized religions either, and I think I agree with your points. But I'm just saying the line "The X of peace" is either so generic that it is a bland description of any ideology. All ideology hides it's violence behind self defense, and are therefore "peaceful". Or it implies that they are particularly peaceful, so it's a description of non-violent. But few ideologies would identify as non violent, and so they would not use that term to describe themselves.
Have some perspective, the middle east has been radicalized by war since the time the west hated gays and people of color. But now since the majority of Western powers has progressed past this for like 10 years out of the last 80 that we've been involved in these conflicts, they're the savages?
It would be much easier for civil discourse to mature in these countries if most of the people weren't traumatized by the predominantly Christian imperialist countries.
Unfortunately, conflict is always going to be more common in the middle east. The North American center of command [NOR-COM] barely touches the south American COM. America itself, shares borders with only two countries that it's allied with.
The middle east COM has 3 COMs around it, the most of any other. The geopolitics of this implies the other COMs are going to meddle in their affairs the most, since they're the buffer to other rival COMs
The standard is good behavior, not other people.
Good behavior is about having empathy, not mocking how people view the entire universe. I don't like how the middle east isn't as progressive as the west, and I don't like how they don't have as much empathy for gay people as the west does now. But mocking an entire religious community - a community that extends far beyond the middle east - for not being peaceful, doesn't make sense when the west succeeded in bringing imperialism to the entire world. Especially when the west hated gay people for most of that time.
It's easier to discuss these issues when you don't have to worry about your school being bombed the next day. It's easier to have empathy for the western values of diversity, while not having to worry about the west bombing you because of religion
Can you show me where I mocked them? Or are you too busy trying your whataboutism out there?
The thing about acting on bigotry is it takes effort. If you secretly are homophobic no one will know or care.
You're sarcastically calling it a religion of peace, that's mockery
Hmm. Is there a particular reason why you would associate Islam with warfare? I am asking you because you assumed I was being sarcastic without clarifying first.
Oh feel free to get in another whataboutism rant. You must be feeling the itch by now.
Lol you're dumb, you don't have an argument you're just shit talking. But keep talking about what abouttism as if you know anything about logical fallacies
Attack the words and not the person. You know the opposite of what Islam typically does.