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This is a misframing of the general Leftist argument.
The Far Left, ie Anarchists, Marxists, etc, believe the Capitalist Status Quo to be the mechanism that brings about fascism. Ie, decay of Capitalism (which is a necessary component of Capitalism itself) results in the bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie to ally themselves against the proletariat, in an attempt to violently "turn the clock back."
Historically, centrists have sided with the fascists against the leftists, which is why over time leftists have been less willing to compromise, as said compromise has resulted in backstabbing. Additionally, Centrism itself preserves the mechanisms that result in fascism, centrism just kicks the can down the road.
When put into context, the far-left is willing to do what it takes to stop fascism.
Nazis literally rose to power because the centrists in Germany allied with them, thinking that the far right wouldn't be that bad.
Yep, and for many of the centrists, they stood to profit a ton from collaboration with the Nazis. Numerous companies worldwide profited off of colaboration with the Nazi regime.
The idea that fascism is just a "dangerous idea to be stopped in debate halls" ignores the economic reasoning for why it appears in the first place, which is why liberals always side with fascists.
And it happens again, like, everywhere 😔
except when they instead end up actually not doing jack fucking shit about it other than attacking the leftmost available political option for not being left enough but curiously never getting around to confronting the ACTUAL FASCISTS THEMSELVES.
Which is so astonishingly unhelpful that sometimes it seems like they're some kind of psyop or plant BY the fascists.
Maybe instead of whinging about supporting the lesser of two evils we should be focusing on PUNISHING THE GREATER OF TWO EVILS UNTIL IT FUCKING DIES so that the lesser evil no longer has cover to hide behind????
That hasn't happened, historically, unless you're dismissing all of the organizing and campaigning done by Leftists as "jack fucking shit."
Liberalism leads to fascism, decay in liberal Capitalist society allows fascism to take root and spread like a mold. You cannot "beat fascism until it dies" without also beating liberalism. Liberalism will always remain the lesser evil until either fascism takes root, or socialism does. Eventually, liberalism will transform into fascism unless leftists win.
it happened in 2016 when trump won due to dipshit idealists like me who allowed hillary's shitty behavior and dogshit strategy to disenfranchise us because we were too weak willed and petty to see the big picture.
LEARNED FROM THAT FUCKING MISTAKE, I TELL YOU WHAT.
It happened in 2000 when Gore didn't get a clear enough edge to choke out W because people fucked their votes away on the "better" option of Nader. Those 97,488 votes would've utterly annihilated W's meager 537 vote lead, if only people would have gotten their shit together and realized what was at stake.
it happened in 1968 when George Wallace siphoned NINE MILLION VOTES away from Hubert Humphrey and handed our country off to FUCKING. RICHARD. NIXON. THE crook himself owes his opportunity to FUCK america raw to people failing to understand the FUNDAMENTAL MECHANICS of First Past The Post
Most notorious of all, to me, though, was in 1912 when the republican party (who were at the time the LESS fascistic and bigoted party) fucked Teddy Roosevelt out of the nomination. His founding of the tragically shortlived Progressive Party (whose policies would largely still have been a massive leap forward for quality of life among all first world nations even TODAY) split the vote and stuck us with Woodrow. Fucking. Wilson. The trump of his day. The bloviating self-entitled racist piece of shit who resurrected the ku klux klan with a screening of "Birth of a Nation" in the gods damned whitehouse, and set back civil rights by three generations by firing all persons of color from all federal administrative offices.
You could not possibly be more wrong about "that hasn't happened historically".
Get. Your. SHIT. TOGETHER.
and UNDERSTAND that the bluedog scum centrists will NEVER be vulnerable to the consequences of their FUCKERY
UNTIL
and
UNLESS
we exterminate their favorite token excuse, the modern post-southern-strategy Republican Party.
America pulled it off before when the Federalist party got curb stomped into oblivion with several years of consistent loss. We need to do that again. Because the last thing I want to see is your 'noble', 'principled', 'high minded' CORPSE being shoveled into a mass grave with the rest of us at GOP-operated deathcamps.
Trump didn't win because people sat out from Hillary, Trump won because he appealed to rising fascist ideals in the conditions of decaying Capitalism. Putting the blame on a tiny percentage of the electorate and not the system itself that gave rise to Trump and fascism itself is misplaced.
See previous point.
You can't, without eliminating Capitalism. The reason the Republican Party exists at all is because the Material Conditions of declining Capitalism support it. Beat Capitalism and the fascists go away with it.
And yet we have another fascist party now.