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Updates:

Might be best for mods to lock this post at this point (is that a thing on Lemmy?) because this story is basically wrapped. The FBI says a bullet caused some ear damage. Maybe it was bullet shrapnel from a ricochet or something like that, but later photos show the teleprompters in-tact so it wasn't shards of glass from those. Trump's usage of the bandage (and the assassination attempt) as symbols and political tools has been discussed at length and I don't think conspiratorial thinking beyond that is very productive. Pete Souza took his own account down after getting a lot of harassment, so no further conspiracies are needed regarding X-formerly-known-as-Twitter at this time.

A photo of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump taken on Saturday without his ear bandage has sparked a wave of speculation.

The image, taken by Alex Brandon of the Associated Press on July 27 and shared by photojournalist Pete Souza on X, formerly Twitter, shows Trump walking up an airplane staircase with an apparently fully healed ear wound just weeks after he was shot with a high-powered rifle.

Souza, known for his tenure as the chief official White House photographer for Presidents Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama, posted Brandon's photo on his now-deactivated X account on Saturday, writing, "AP photo this morning. Look closely at his ear that was 'hit' by a bullet from an AR-15 assault rifle."

Souza's profile, @PeteSouza, which had over 200,000 followers, now reads, "This account doesn't exist, try searching for another," implying that he has deleted or deactivated it. If he had been banned, it would read, "Account suspended. X suspends accounts which violate the X rules."

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

Much of the destructive force comes from speed

You should've stopped there.

If it had hit his ear, it would have ripped a chunk of the ear off, not just caused a scratch that was unnoticeable days later. This isn't the first time he's been seen without a bandage. He was photographed like a day later and it was fine.

I think there would still be a visible wound unless it just nicked the tip of the ear

You're missing the point.

The bullet "nicking" his ear isn't possible because (due to speed) it would have ripped a chunk off.

[-] CM400@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

The bullet "nicking" his ear isn't possible because (due to speed) it would have ripped a chunk off.

Please demonstrate this. If a paper target can get hit by these rounds every day in target practice and not get blown to pieces, why would an ear (especially if the ear was only “nicked” by the bullet) be any different?

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, after watching some of the ballistic recreations, it'd either punch through in the case of full hit or nick it pretty good on a grazing hit. Either way, it wouldn't take a chunk off.

There'd still definitely be a wound, though. I think the most likely case is that he was indirectly hit with some sort of shrapnel.

[-] CM400@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Personally, it doesn’t matter to me which outcome it was. He was shot at, and very minimally damaged by the bullet or something else. The outcome is the same.

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Agreed, although he's certainly been playing his injury up wearing that ear patch around, when it's at most been a little scratch.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

Paper is thinner and will immediately tear and perfectly so. Squishy thicker flesh will rip and tear slower as the force goes everywhere before the entire region just fails.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago

Compare the size of the whole to the bullet

The holes is always bigger, and an ear has much more tear resistance than an ear. But Trump doesn't even have a bullet sized hole in his ear.

He has literally zero visible wounds...

There's not even a "nick"

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The holes on paper aren't bigger than a bullet. Bullets go fast. .223/5.56 is better than mach 2. That'll breeze right through a surprising amount of material.

He definitely didn't have a bullet go through his ear though. Even at a magical angle a bullet wouldn't be able to go right through.

I kind of think it either barely touched or he got cut when he reached up to touch his ear or something, or a chunk of shrapnel from something else popped him. Honestly, that last one might make the most sense.

[-] CM400@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Oh, I see. You were using hyperbole and not actually claiming a “nick” by the bullet would take a chunk out of his ear. Fair enough.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/An-Unusual-Feature-of-Graze-Gunshot-Wounds-Heninger/8ca4248a19d68ad59e8895945331d21121374d21

Bullets can lacerate tissue without causing crazy destruction. A wound less severe than this on the tip of the ear could be healed within 2 weeks or however long it's been.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

The bullet "nicking" his ear isn't possible because (due to speed) it would have ripped a chunk off.

This does not follow at all.

If the bullet went directly into his earlobe, yes it obviously would have taken a or multiple chunks out.

If it barely grazed the top of his earlobe, it certainly could have basically just barely knicked it, with only tens or hundreds of microns of the bullet actually contacting tens or hundreds of microns of skin on the ear.

At that scale, a bullet has a microscopically rough surface, and in addition to travelling at a high speed through its trajectory, is also rotating at high speeds.

The analogy I have been taught to make sense of how bullet wounds work is that of a long range, high speed drill press.

In this case, the drill does not so much punch a hole through flesh, as it does basically scrape right on top of an area with a large amount of blood flow under very thin skin.

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Much of the destructive force comes from speed

You should've stopped there.

Let me rewrite that:

The destructive force of a 5.56 round is exponentially increased by the tissue it hits. If it hits purely soft tissue - such as a pass through the deltoid or quadriceps - it may not cause much damage at all.

The real destruction comes from hitting hard tissue (like bone), which causes it to tumble and cavitate or cause it to ricochet and hit more soft tissue, on top of probably breaking whatever bone it hit.

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