ToastedPlanet

The Culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture

I hadn't heard of this. It seems cool. =D

What is it now?

Read what I wrote. The US used to stand for freedom and justice for all and the US no longer does.

Apart from that, you are projecting a bit much here.

Your argument is beat for beat the same argument so it's not projection.

Don’t be like them and run around with that patriotism bullshit.

Your argument agrees with the fascists in that "America was never a democracy". The fascists just take it further and say we were always a white christian nation. Stop running around with the accelerationist bullshit.

Don’t pretend that your country was so great and free and fair and all. It never was.

It got better, because the people stood up took their rights against push back, against violence and murder.

So your argument concedes it is the same accelerationist argument. Your argument even clarifies it's wrong at the same time. Cool.

but stop twisting that into what you want to make other people believe is some core value of your country and the only real patriotic thing or some shit.

I am going to keep refuting accelerationist arguments. You can try to bullshit in your argument all you want.

Fascism will fail. Accelerationism will fail. People are going to keep telling the truth.

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No, now the US is a white nationalist, christo-fascist, techno-fedualist dictatorship. The US doesn't stand for anything. The US is now a tool for the wealthy to enrich themselves at our expense in a capacity we haven't seen since monopolies were busted.

This “freedom and justice for all” thing was always a myth.

This argument is ahistorical. The US extended rights to people of color and women.

the MAGA shitstains are the true American patriots

The fascists are still fascists. All they do is hate. They don't love this country. The nation state is only ever a vehicle to terrorize, subjugate, and kill people.

This "freedom and justice for all is a myth" argument is the same as every other "America was never a democracy" argument. This argument is made by people who do not value freedom and justice for all or democracy. America's failings are a justification to destroy the country that has personally wronged them. They feel they've been morally tainted by association with the US and their only recourse is to burn a country of 340 million people to the ground to somehow redeem themselves. Not even to make something better and in some cases instead the goal is to end up in a red fascist dictatorship.

Nothing is good enough for them, no amount of social progress matters. Like in this case where, as usual, the argument pretends social movements didn't happen. People make these arguments because they've personally been made to feel morally uncomfortable. So everyone can die as far as they care.

Don't let people get away with this. The fascists took our democracy and freedoms away. The people who pretend those weren't real don't want us to have them either.

This user's argument is more of the same accelerationism that was rampant before, during, and after the 2024 election. Accelerationism benefits the fascists and thus is not anti-fascism. Part of the way we fight back against fascists is telling the truth. edit: typo

Mamdani is a socialist like myself. He's using the Democrat party because it's the most useful tool available to him. But he's not a neoliberal Democrat.

I'm a registered independent. I'm not this neoliberal you've concocted to debate with. I know Mamdani's got a lock on the Mayoral race as the Democratic nominee. And I don't gatekeep who is in the Democratic Party.

Lol, your argument is to refuse to vote for anyone who isn't as far left as Mamdani. You're not arguing to think globally or act locally. You're larping on the internet.

What if I told you that any genuinely Left Irish Republicanism, even from the Irish Diaspora, requires calling for a Free Palestine? We have arrived at that same human collective conclusion while allowing for Pride in our own identity to participate in cementing that.

But you'll argue against voting for candidates who aren't fascists in future election. Even if that means the fascists will continue to genocide the people you pretend to care about. No thanks.

I'm going to keep arguing against accelerationism.

This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

Accelerationist ideas need to be challenged and refuted wherever they show up.

I support Mamdani. I'm going to vote for the furthest left, viable candidates that I can. In most cases, in the short term, that's going to be neoliberals. Hopefully all the candidates will be socialist eventually.

Your argument is fully committed to owning this neoliberal that you've invented. I don't care about what other people think about me. I'm way to close to the chopping block to care. So I definitely don't care about your views on this other person you're pretending to have an argument with.

But you're argument is an excellent example of how to be politically ineffective so I'll keep dismantling it. People need to out grow this mindset of preserving their personal moral purity in order to be politically effective. Instead they'll need to learn how to analyze what strategies are the most useful.

Nah, your argument is that you're a cool edge lord who rejects any association with other people if it means risking your purity.

The whole point of rejecting a national identity is to form a broader human identity. But instead of that people seem to take leftism as another kind of American libertarian individualism were the goal is to reject being apart of anything bigger than yourself.

Believing in shared ideals like freedom and justice for all means rejecting a state when it abandons those ideals.

A neoliberal Israeli online newspaper is of course going to spin the neoliberal Democrat in a positive light. So what?

It doesn't change the fact that Kamala Harris was the right choice in 2024. Or that your argument is based on talking points from a Russian bot farm.

The way we defeat fascism is by rallying around shared ideas and ideals. And not by being an island of one.

You read the comment incorrectly. MAGAts are christo-fascist nationalists of course.

There are more positions we need to vote for then just the one Mamdani ran for. Only voting for people who meet your personal purity test isn't a useful strategy.

Harris refusing to rebuke Biden? Was a critical misstep. As was allowing the party to carry on influencing Republican primaries for the same “centrist” appeal. Picking up Megan McCain and Dick fucking war criminal Cheney endorsements and refusing to alienate them was not the way to retain the Left or Youth.

Obviously. There can be more than one lesson to learn from an election.

90% of your agrument is addressed to an imaginary neoliberal. All so you can larp about being so pure for only being willing to support one guy. We need more than the mayor of the New York to defeat fascism.

I will only vote for people who offer actual material policy gains like Zohran Mamdani does, Democrat or otherwise.