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[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The people who fed these talking points to Americans were Russian bot farms.

Russian Bot Farms like... The Times of Israel?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/harris-is-a-strong-ally-for-israel-and-american-jews/

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

A neoliberal Israeli online newspaper is of course going to spin the neoliberal Democrat in a positive light. So what?

It doesn't change the fact that Kamala Harris was the right choice in 2024. Or that your argument is based on talking points from a Russian bot farm.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What's passed? Is in the past. I voted for Kamala.

Going forward? We're in the time to actually put pressure on the Democrats NOW for a platform worth voting for.

Now. Can we get some support for Zohran Mamdani, America's Next Mayor, and harbinger of a New Democratic Party? Or are you too busy arguing with brick walls that they "shoulda, coulda, woulda" ?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm going to keep arguing against accelerationism.

This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

Accelerationist ideas need to be challenged and refuted wherever they show up.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

This idea that we should only support democratic socialists like Mamdani and Bernie is ridiculous and is definitively accelerationist.

Are you familiar with the concept of "kayfabe" from American pro-wrestling? I need the Corporate Democrats to fear ALL of us walking away so they don't do... Exactly what they're doing to Mamdani anyway. 😓 that didn't work.

But when it comes down to it? After the primaries, we still need to hold our nose and think of the Climate and all people first, for any even-marginal slowdown. Results matter.

With that out of the way? The Democrats have a chance to actually be a part of real change, real success, and to build a real future for the party and country. But they're refusing. It is maddening.

Did you see the way Walz alienated the indigenous voters? I'm deeply curious about what response you get from Palestinian-Americans grieving their families. To absolve Democrats of their inability to message coherently when we need it most? Is simply unacceptable.

Some part of me wishes for a Local that could run as a Republican as a DSA member, and get entrenched that way. I would knock on so many doors for that person. The Parties have switched before.

But this is the time to pressure the Democrats for a platform worth voting for in 2026 and 2028 - what are you doing? This isn't maximizing their success.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

I'm arguing that accelerationism is a self-destructive ideology. Democrats are going to keep chasing the neocon conservatives who vote over the leftists who don't vote. The way we win is getting more candidates like Mamdani in positions of power, including the presidency. But we're still going to need to neoliberal candidates in order to have majorities in Congress and state legislatures. There aren't going to be enough socialist candidates in the short term. Hopefully there will be quite a few progressives though.

Did you see the way Walz alienated the indigenous voters? I’m deeply curious about what response you get from Palestinian-Americans grieving their families. To absolve Democrats of their inability to message coherently when we need it most? Is simply unacceptable.

Also, I'm not Tim Walz. But he was liked by indigenous voters.

https://azmirror.com/2024/10/10/we-cant-go-back-tribal-leaders-welcome-vice-presidential-candidate-tim-walz-to-arizona/

Walz also had better takes on Gaza than Biden.

https://apnews.com/article/walz-israel-hamas-gaza-harris-election-emhoff-biden-netanyahu-hersh-muslim-fd797e42ad3c919026c5341ae4297500

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