[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I was asked, why keep a spear the entire game?

This was an odd run for me. The first weapon I received was a great axe. It is too large to be a value. I had almost no armor the entire game, until the imp. I obtained the ring of tenacity and the vampiric spear early on. Typically , I take my first upgrade scroll and turn it into enchantment stones and apply the stones to my bow. Throughout the game I mainly rely upon my bow as my primary weapon and don't give much concern to a melee weapon. I later picked up the ring of furor. I augmented my bow for greater damage at the cost of speed. Using the ring I was able to offset and even greatly improve upon my attack speed. It is very rare that I get the chalice artifact. After looking over my inventory early on and realizing I was going to be challenged for armor and weapons, I noticed that between the 2 rings and the vampiric spear and the chalice of blood, by applying my upgrade scrolls I could achieve almost immortality. The rings prevented me from dying easily, which allowed me to fill the chalice and the chalice regenerated my health and if I should take enough damage, by using my other ring in combination with the spear, I could stab at my enemy's nearly 6 times as often as they could attack me and gain health back from them.

So, yes, I kept the spear.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Oh, I have. Just the way that one went was so bizarre. The comment is meant more as humor.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Wand of fire works well.

Mixing potions of Paralysis and Toxic holds and poisons them.

A stone of Aggression to make them attack each other.

It's tough when they don't come to the door.

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Huntress made it on the first run. I really like the new Upgrade system.

One creepy thing... killed a Monk rushing at me just as he was passing a chest. His remains ended up inside. So wrong. I had to open that chest once I found the key. You don't want to know how bad it smelled inside.

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Gladiator ascended. No obvious bugs. I like the remade menu. Balance is decent.

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by The_Snail@lemmy.world to c/pixeldungeon@lemmy.world

I just had to test the newest SPD 2.5.0b3 on the oldest Android device I have, and I am proud to say that it works great!

My old Zeki nearly went into the trash this month as nearly all support for 4x has ceased. Then I discovered XPlayer, a 3rd party app designed to run MKV movies in h265 format. Along with WiFi FTP I am able to stream quality movies on this old tablet.

Better still, I can now play one of the best roguelikes ever on it! Thank you 00-Evan for not writing off older hardware.

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Archive of Pixel Dungeon's (drive.google.com)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by The_Snail@lemmy.world to c/pixeldungeon@lemmy.world

I have recently updated the GD archive of PD's as my friends site is no longer availble.

Added or updated:

CloverPD-v2.4.2.2-Android.apk

Community SPD v1.0.apk

DHAlpha's SPD v2.4.0 Mod.apk

Experienced Pixel Dungeon Redone v2.18.2.apk

ismvru's Easier SPD v2.4.2m1.apk

Pixel Towers v0.0.3.apk

Shattered Pixel Dungeon v2.4.2 gold mod.apk

TweakedPD-v2.4.2.0-Android.apk

More than 300 versions of PD.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v243hncvyAGpPtxR7VSgg1E-n4tajdPd

Please do not download the entire archive or Google will suspend the account and nobody will be able to get anything. Just grab what you need. I stronly urge other PD archivers to add these to their collections and share them. About 75% of these PD's are available from the author's site or Github and I ask you download from those places first.

Although my archive has been posted and available for nearly a year, even after Fandom's recent overhaul they include only a fraction of what is available.

Also, if anyone can contact Dominowood, I'm sure he would like to fill in his missing files, most if not all of which are available in my archive.

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Pixel Dungeon VR (lemmy.world)

There is a rather interesting effort to create a multiplayer 3D version of Pixel Dungeon that reminds me of a mix between Shattered and Gauntlet. It isn't ready just yet and because it will be on Steam it is guarenteed to be massively bloated, so hopefully it will get ported to Android.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

It does count toward the final score, as does searching all of level 5 even if you beat Goo and find the Rat King. If you don't search the entire level you lose points.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Yes. I came very close to starving many times. Keeps you moving. I found a lot of Maps and turned them into clairvoyance stones. That helped cover a lot of ground without backtracking and searching. That was a big game changer this time. I also used an upgrade to make stones of enchantment an got a Blazing bow. A mimic dropped a Ring of Might +3. Another drop had a warhammer +1 very early on. A Ring of Haste helped conserve food and move along faster. I got the Rose too, on level 22, so that was useless. One should be able to eat the rose. I found 3 healing wells. I usually don't find more than one or two in a game. I tend to get the mind vision ones a lot more. Not sure if that is by design or get random.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Classic. I haven't seen that one in ages.

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After 4 days on one of my best runs ever, I came so close to a perfect score on a 9 Challenge. Almost want to cry 😢

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Because throughout the game the only other rings I obtained were a Ring of Wealth and a cursed Ring of Might. I used the Ring of Wealth for a while but decided a few extra points of damage were preferred in the lower levels. I did get a ton of wands though... just what every Fighter wants.

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Although I prefer to use the Huntress, for my first run through the new v2.4.1 I took the Fighter/Gladiator the entire way in a single run.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Remix, Remixed Dungeon, Remixed Pixel Dungeon, and Re-Remixed Pixel Dungeon are all mods of Pixel Dungeon ML. NYRDS various remixes of PD, even though based on PD (not on Shattered PD), is one of the most popular mods worldwide with a very large following in Russia. So, to answer your question, yes, a great many people play the mod.

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Golden (lemmy.world)

Huntress, 3 challenge, Wand of Regrowth +9.

Scrolls of Recharging.

I have not only grown the elusive Golden Lotus in a garden, I managed to grow 4 at once!

Died fighting Yog with harder boses and not destroying spawners, but good run with Flaming Bow, Gauntlet of Fire, and Brimstone Armour.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Sometimes the ledge with a chest is just out of view and you won't see it until you get closer.

Other times, it is just an empty room waiting for you to rush in and fall to your death.

It will cost you to find out.

A potion of levetation, a torch to see further, etc.

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What do Spelunky, The Binding of Isaac, FTL: Faster Than Light, and Rogue Legacy have in common?

Well, they've all incorporated roguelike elements as part of their core gameplay loops, and have each stirred up controversy as to what truly constitutes a "roguelike," whether the term "roguelite" is more appropriate, and what exactly is the difference between roguelike, roguelike-like, and roguelite.

Why is this controversial?

Because many developers, especially indie developers who want to see success for their games, label their games as roguelikes in order to capitalize on search trends and marketing hype.

But fans of roguelikes—that is, true roguelikes—have grown tired of hearing, time after time, that a new roguelike has been released only to check it out and realize that it doesn't meet their expectations of what a roguelike ought to be.

This may not seem like a big deal, but the complaint is reasonable. Genre terms exist to prime expectations for players.

Imagine spending $30 on a game marketed as an RTS only to discover that it actually plays more like an ARPG? Or you thought you were buying into a MOBA that turned out to be a FPS with MOBA elements?

So if you've ever wondered what exactly the differences are between roguelikes, roguelike-likes, and roguelites, then here's a quick explainer.

What Is a Roguelike?

The term "roguelike" came about as a way to describe games that played similarly to Rogue, an ASCII dungeon crawler released way back in 1980.

(You can also check this post - https://lemmy.world/post/10970445 )

Inspired by text-based games from the 1970s, Rogue was notable for its use of permadeath, procedural generation, and ASCII characters to represent in-world entities (as opposed to full-on text sentences a la Zork) to ensure a different adventure experience with each playthrough.

But there are different interpretations as to what a roguelike entails, and even to this day there are debates as to which elements are essential for a game to be considered "like Rogue."

The most widely accepted definition is the Berlin Interpretation, which is the definition that was settled on by at the 2008 International Roguelike Development Conference and upheld by Rogue Bassin, Temple of the Rogue, and the 7DRL.

According to the Berlin Interpretation, a roguelike must have:

Permadeath

Random environment generation

Exploration and discovery

Turn-based, grid-based, non-modal gameplay

Hack-n-slash (e.g. lots of monsters to kill)

Resource management (e.g. inventory)

Some enthusiasts also impose a few extra requirements, such as ASCII graphics, level-based dungeons, top-down RPG gameplay, only one player character to control, and hard numbers for attributes like health and damage.

However, according to the Berlin Interpretation, these are "low-value factors" that don't disqualify a game from being a roguelike if they're missing.

The games that were analyzed to arrive at this definition are Rogue, Nethack, ADOM, Angband, and Crawl.

What Is a Roguelike-Like?

The release of Spelunky in 2008 put the Berlin Interpretation, and other roguelike interpretations with it, to the test.

Here we had an indie game that played a lot like classic roguelikes: levels were randomly generated and required exploration, there was resource management on the part of the player, there were plenty of monsters to defeat, and the player had to start over from scratch upon death.

The only thing missing was turn-based, grid-based gameplay—Spelunky was a sidescrolling platformer.

Despite the borrowing of so many elements, Spelunky certainly lacked the spirit of a roguelike, leading to the birth of a new term: the roguelike-like, or a game that applies one or more roguelike elements to a different genre.

In the case of Spelunky, it was the "roguelikification" of a sidescrolling platformer. In 2012, the release of FTL: Faster Than Light showed what it would be like to introduce roguelike elements to RTS gameplay—and the result was a smash hit.

But the most puzzling roguelike-like was 2011's The Binding of Isaac, which fulfilled even more of the Berlin Interpretation and arguably felt the most like a roguelike but was rejected by roguelike enthusiasts as decidedly not a roguelike.

The Binding of Isaac had pretty much everything: top-down view a la The Legend of Zelda, procedurally generated levels, dungeon-based exploration, a tile-based environment, item collection and inventory management, plenty of monsters to hack-n-slash through, and permadeath.

So what was the problem?

Well, The Binding of Isaac was a twin-stick shooter, and it was this aspect that didn't sit well with roguelike fans. Combat in classic roguelikes was turn-based and tactical, and The Binding of Isaac was, at its core, an action-packed shooting game.

Since then, there have been dozens of successful roguelike-likes, including Darkest Dungeon, Nuclear Throne, and Enter the Gungeon.

What Is a Roguelite?

In 2013, Cellar Door Games released Rogue Legacy and intentionally avoided calling it a roguelike or even a roguelike-like, instead opting to forge a new term: the roguelite.

Much in the same vein as roguelike-likes, Rogue Legacy borrowed roguelike elements and applied them to its sidescrolling platformer gameplay, but introduced a new element that offset the permadeath mechanic that roguelikes and roguelike-likes were so famous for: carry-over progression.

While the current character truly dies upon death, the player continues on in the role of a descendant who retains the same equipment, upgrades, and stats that were unlocked by ancestors (the player's previous runs), but with different characteristics and abilities. The castle, which is the game's main dungeon, remains persistent across deaths.

Just as there's disunity over the definition of roguelike, not everyone agrees on what it means to be a roguelite.

For some, the terms roguelike-like and roguelite are synonymous. For others, myself included, roguelites are defined by the one feature that truly makes them "lite" (or more palatable to players at large) compared to roguelike-likes, and that's the carry-over of progress across playthroughs, also known as meta-progression.

Whereas one of the main draws of roguelikes and roguelike-likes is permadeath—the complete and utter loss of everything upon death—it's a bit too harsh for most gamers to stomach (whimps), which is why roguelites have boomed in popularity.

The threat of death is still there in the form of having to start over, but each loss still contributes to forward momentum. No run is ever wasted. This is the defining trait of roguelites that differentiates them from their less forgiving siblings.

Note that unlocking content isn't necessarily the same as carry-over progress. For example, Nuclear Throne has characters that can be unlocked through gameplay, but each character starts each new game as a blank slate.

The persistence in roguelites necessitates that you can start off from where you died, at least in terms of overall game state, on your subsequent runs.

Incremental games, also known as clicker games, clicking games (on PCs) or tap games (in mobile games), are video games whose gameplay consists of the player doing simple actions such as clicking on the screen repeatedly (resulting in carpel tunnel and joint damage). This "grinding" earns the player in-game currency which can be used to increase the rate of currency acquisition. In some games, even the clicking becomes unnecessary at some point, as the game plays itself, including in the player's absence, hence the moniker idle game (the absolute ultimate in laziness). The question thus becomes, is a game that you don't play even truly a game? Does a computer generated dungeon of monsters beaten by the same computer controlled Warrior constitute a win?

According to Anthony Pecorella in his GDC summit talks, the first idle game was attributed to Progress Quest (2002) by Eric Fredriksen, which is a parody of MMORPG's stats and auto-attack. He argued that Kongregate was an early breeding ground for the genre, as some people just want to chat, so, the first game of the genre was aptly titled Kongregate Chat (July 24, 2007, by John Cooney), where the game just run by itself, and people are just chatting in the chat section of the game. While one of the first visual idle games ("rudimentary RPG" according to Pecorella) was Ayumilove's HackerStory v1 (2008, by Ayumilove), which was a parody of bot grinding in a Maple Story game, a famous MMORPG from Korea at that time.

Lastly, we have a more recent entry into the so-called roguelike games, and one that diehard Rogue fans loath passionately, card games. Most gamers who have been into Rogue/Roguelikes when asked how they feel about cards being added to the game will get downright nasty. This isn't because a game is bad, rather, it is because it doesn't fit into the Roguelike definition. Even though this type of game has been around longer than Roguelites, it did't gain popularity until much later.

Slay the Spire is a roguelike deck-building video game, developed by the American indie studio Mega Crit and published by Humble Bundle, is attributed with releasing the first such game. Ever since then, hardcore gamers have demanded a new genre' title other than "rogue" be used. Unfortunately, sellers used the "rogue" fame to sell these card games and various companies have now made games that breech card gaming and rogue. The best gamers have managed is to push the games into the Rogue-Lite genre' even though that too is not proper.

For roguelike purists who prefer the hardcore, traditional gameplay that's core to real roguelikes, the terms do matter.

Because if they're looking for new roguelikes to play and stumble across a new game that claims to be a "roguelike" but is truly more of a "roguelite"... well, that can be pretty disappointing.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

FYI

The scroll wiped out all 58.

Left me stunned for a while.

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Aways plan ahead.

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https://github.com/sethoscope/clover-pixel-dungeon/releases/

New: custom app icon, plus matching colors in title screen and credits.

This release contains upstream Shattered PD v2.3.0, plus this fork's additions:

a wand of anti-magic, which temporarily suppresses a target's magical abilities; a flying carpet artifact; a Forgetful challenge, which makes identification of potions and scrolls temporary; a rare Four-Leaf Clover plant, which gives loot-related luck when trampled; and cosmetic changes related to the title.

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

This topic has been covered before on the old Reddit site and is indeed due to API changes. Nothing wrong with the game at all and it works fine on Android 13. Just Google screwing with people. Much like Micro$oft forcing people to stop using DOS.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelDungeon/comments/15owmbi/vanilla_pd_taken_off_the_ios_app_store/

Thanks to this wonderful thing called a search engine it doesn't take much effort to find the original PD homepage from where the game can be downloaded for free.

https://watabou.itch.io/pixel-dungeon

https://github.com/watabou/pixel-dungeon/releases

https://apkcombo.com/pixel-dungeon/com.watabou.pixeldungeon/

[-] The_Snail@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Dragon magazine reported on several occassions wherein the two met and banged heads. Although fans rarely saw them argue, it happened.

Dragon articles -

For example, he says:

I found the "Ring Trilogy" . . . well, tedious. The action dragged, and it smacked of an allegory of the struggle of the little common working folk of England against the threat of Hitler's Nazi evil. At the risk of incurring the wrath of the Professor's dedicated readers, I must say that I was so bored with his tomes that I took nearly three weeks to finish them.

And then later on:

Gandalf is quite ineffectual, plying a sword at times and casting spells which are quite low-powered (in terms of the D&D game). Obviously, neither he nor his magic had any influence on the games. The wicked Sauron is poorly developed, virtually depersonalized, and at the end blows away in a cloud of evil smoke . . . poof! Nothing usable there.

In addition, several civil action suits were filed between the two, the most notable when Tolkein sued TSR over copyright infringement.

"During the first few years after the introduction of Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) in 1973, Gary Gygax, who had the strongest impact on the fantasy elements of the game, denied any direct influences from fantasy author J.R.R. Tolkien. Many players recognized immediately that numerous D&D character and creature names came directly from the books. But it took until 1977 for intellectual property lawyers from a firm which had licensed the rights to Tolkien’s work to send a cease-and-desist order, at which point TSR Inc. (then known as Tactical Studies Rules) Gygax’s publishing house, famously changed the names of characters with ties to those works. Thus, in basic D&D “hobbit” became “halfling,” and “ent” became “treant.”"

Beyond the press, media, and courts, we, the members of Evermoore Knight's (a group of people who gamed and playtested with Gygax), and I, who did work for TSR, Paladium, G.U.R.P.S. and other gaming systems, knew at a personal level the arguements that took place. Although to the fans the two systems, LotR and D&D, bare a strong resemblance, what inspired them and the creator's behind them were polar opposites.

(Of course, all that paled in comparison to how much Gygax's wife would come to want him dead, his lifes work destroyed, and D&D burried forever. She nearly succeeded too, creating Wizard's of the Coast and turning D&D and many other board games into indiscernible D20 garbage, wherein if not for a title one can't tell the difference from D&D, Shadowrun, etc. But that is a whole other matter and unrelated to Pixel Dungeon.)

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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by The_Snail@lemmy.world to c/pixeldungeon@lemmy.world

A brief evolution of Rogue. Thousands of sites exist on the topic, so I won't go into a lot of repeat here, but I thought you might enjoy a quick gaming history lesson.

Tolkein (Lord of the Rings and many other books), inspired the game Moria. Zeb, Cook, and Gygax, creators of Dungeons & Dragons, inspired the game Rogue. Tolkein, from Europe, and Gygax (mainly credited for D&D), from America, detested one another.

Shattered Pixel Dungeon is based upon Pixel Dungeon. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon

Pixel Dungeon is based upon BRogue.

https://pixel-dungeon.en.uptodown.com/android

BRogue is based on Angband. https://github.com/bilgincoskun/brogue-android-port/releases/

Angband is based on Moria and Larn and Nethack. Moria is Tolkein's world, Nethack is D&D'ish, and Larn took a whole different theme. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.rephial.xyangband

This version includes several Roguelikes in one, including Sil-Q, the Android port of Moria.

The Android port of Larn (dLarn) is available at - https://download.appsonwindows.com/b/dLarn_free-v3.3-appsonwindows.com.apk?a=azJIZDl2QyttREIxend4L0tyblQwdz09&b=ZmlJL1paUmowSkdDY25XVy9SbGRlTDdreDhhWFc5WWk5NWJORXNrSWN5L1hOamFkWUZsZ21UVVVhSDlwWWtPa2hiT0VIZmQrQ2drTHZoSXJlZ3p4cjNnVlhvWDFSNnNocU1qM0xwcEVKcFk9&c=VkZzUkZ5QjlwQmxrOFJmSWNqR1EvZ3A5MDlSN3I3ZHk4WDFTZ1ZEVnFmQT0&d=4bf63e00

Moria is based on Rogue. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.rufe.moria

"Roguelike Classic" is the only APK I know to include direct ports of Moria, Larn, and Rogue to Android. Sadly, it uses .SO libraries that are no longer supported since Android 11. Mines of Moria does not hold very true to the original Dungeons of Moria. uMoria is not available for Android. Finally, I found Sil. This is an Android port of Moria that holds very true to Tolkein's work, but it is for x86 hardware only. Fortunately, Sil was redone as Sil-Q (silk), and is included in the above Angband apk.

The original UNIX version of Rogue (1978-1980) will not run on modern devices, and the only 2 known Android ports of the 1984-1985 DOS version stopped working at Android 11. The DOS version can be run in an emulator such as MagicDOSBox on Android. The versions up to 1984 were primarily text based, or, if one had a computer powerful enough they could select an ANSI or ASCII sudo graphics mode. It can also be played online. One must register an account before playing. https://rlgallery.org:8080/

A modern Android port can be found in Dungeon Crawl. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crawlmb&hl=en

In 2015, one of the largest roundups of Roguelikes took place and more than 700 versions were archived. https://archive.org/details/RoguelikeMegaCollection2015

The anual 7 Day Roguelike Challenge adds about 10 new games each year.

About the same time, Pixel Dungeon was bursting onto the scene for Android and not even mentioned in that archive at the time.

A decade later, and there is now well over 300 version's of Pixel Dungeon! That makes for over a thousand roguelikes.

Dial-up Multi User Dungeon's (MUD's), network roguelikes such as Diablo, and MMORPG's such as World of Warcraft are also evolution's of the original Rogue.

*Edit

Although Nethack wasn't a part of PD, it has been a major influence on all Roguelikes. As I mentioned it, I am posting the Android version.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tbd.NetHack

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