Thanks for the comment and links. Will read them later tonight.
Based on what you said, how do you divide bourgeoisie and proletariat then? Those who control the means of production and those who profit is extracted right? Would the example where no one is extracting and all workers are paid well still be proletariat? I’m sure it can’t be as silly as proletariat + paid well = bourgeoisie. Both examples I provided come from dirt poor families.
So based on what you just said, profit would/should essentially not exist. It should be expenses going towards all workers fairly and the rest put back into the company and means?
So fair ownership of the company is based on who controls it's direction and choices. Got it. How does this compare to companies that give employees stock or shareholders in general? Would one say a basic shareholder is not a worker therefore the same logic doesn't apply? But employees receiving stock would give them a vote in the companies decisions and leadership positions. Or does this capitalist method of dividing the company not apply at all?
There have been a lot of bad faith lemmy users recently. Thanks for taking my question seriously and explaining why it might be taken otherwise :)
This is very clear!
So in these two examples both companies are relatively small and new and people have different responsibilities and are paid accordingly. For instance the lawyer who wins all the cases and the underwriters (if that is the term). Is it that they should be paid the same, even though their jobs are wildly different, or that they should have collective ownership in the organization? Would the latter then result in the same pay?
Thanks!
Thank you!
I think an issue here is that “ethical” and “unethical” as value judgements operate on many different levels and just because someone does something considered one or the other, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are wholly bad or good.
This is a fair point I considered. That's why I wondered how to define because it can't be on an individual basis.
Could you expand upon how getting paid a high salary is unethical? Does giving a lot to charity make it better?
Thanks for that well written response. That is very helpful!
Thanks for the recommendations and taking my question seriously :)
The two people I describe do most of the work. The lawyer is the one who defends all of the cases and the insurance one creates all the formulas. They’re not extracting anything. Both are helping the poor, the only loser is the corpos.
Yes I would. Three lines of thought:
One paying for premium is pretty cheap and often half off during holidays. Something like $30-50 for a year. And it makes the grind much quicker. They gotta run their servers and make money somehow.
Two buying premium planes at holidays is fairly reasonably priced, $30-40 dollars. You get exactly what you want the it makes the grind much easier. It gives you a ton more points making life easier. I recommend the Russian mig21.
So for 30$ once plus $30-50 the game isn’t that much of a grind, you support the devs, and you get to play what you want.
Three you can pay to just unlock normal planes you’re researching. I’ve found this to be unreasonably priced and see no reason to do this. For instance for US I’m slowly research the f14. Maybe a couple days and I could have it, but if I paid for the gold it would be something dumb like $60. I think that is never worth it.
I first started playing thinking I would never pay but premium and a good high tier jet are totally worth it. I’ve played almost 600 hours and bought four premiums and prem twice. So for maybe $120 I’ve gotten 600 hours and four exactly jets I want. That’s worth it to me.
Another thought, on the subreddit people often say if you don’t enjoy just playing a the grind to get high tier isn’t fun then you won’t enjoy the game. There is a lot of truth in this. Low to mid tier is actually in many ways more fun. WW1 is hilarious because there are a lot of newbs and the props turn so fast. WW2 is even more fun. I love my early jets like the f8u. So it was annoying to start not wanting to pay and just wanting high tier jets but honestly there is so many fun planes.
I believe I’ve got my monies worth haha ;)
Also I didn’t know haute bourgeoisie was real lol. I thought that was just a term from the horrible movie metropolitan.