Aceticon

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're lying about what I wrote

Quote the exact words were I "blamed everybody" or even "asked for a solution".

Once again you're using a ploy straight out of the Fascist Manual of Argumentation: "When accused of something, accuse the other person of the same, lying if need be."

From the Fascist Manual of Argumentation you so far have:

  • "Made broad claims about how everybody else is responsible for societal problems without providing any evidence at all of those claims. Demand that other do the work of disproving it when you yourself didn't do the work of trying to prove it"
  • "When asked to back that theory with actual evidence, state a fact that is not logically linked to the theory you put forward, and hence cannot logically prove it".
  • "When pointed out that there is no logical link between that event and your theory, counter-attack by demanding the impossible those pointing it out (in this case a "specific and detailed plan" for the problems of America as if that was easy) and when they naturally cannot deliver the impossible, use that to go down some "I win" rant whilst continuing to avoid the original point they made".
  • "When they point out the nature of the argumentation ploys you're using to avoid addressing the original points they made, LIE about what they wrote to claimed that it was THEY who actually did it".

If you were arguing in good faith you would've either walked back on that theory, refined it some more, or tried to actually show there was a logical link between "Donald Trump winning the election in 2016 over Hilary Clinton" and "There are two sides. The Right and everyone else. The Right wins because they stay on topic and vote.".

You did not. Instead you went for the "Demand the impossible and when the impossible is not delivered claim that it proves the other person is not wrong" ploy, same as the MAGAs do.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

By exactly using the MAGA the technique of, after ranting about blaming everybody else but yourself about all maner of problems, "asking" for others to provide solutions only to criticize them when given them, you've just proved what I suspected, so thanks for that.

Whatever is the way to solve the US problems, it's the very opposite of that "criticized everything and everybody" shit that you, EXACTLY LIKE THE FAR-RIGHT POPULISTS are doing - that shit is literaly "how to divide people and make them believe there is no option other than compliance" out of the Authoritarian Playbook

Being a fucking rock, literally, does more towards solving the situation in the US than what you are doing.

Whether because you're a sock-puppet or because you're the ultimate useful idiot, you are part of the problem, not of the solution.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is a joke but it ain't really a joke - if you're trying to figure somebody out you often can tell a lot from the jokes they chose to make and even how they tell the joke.

The most obvious and probably most familiar to most example is somebody who says something demeaning of somebody else present and then, when confronted with the insulting nature of what they just said, claims "it was just a joke".

Maybe (and this part is much more wild theory on my party) people feel they can get away with more in joke form and hence are more likely to share their true beliefs?!

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's people at the peak point of the Dunning-Krugger curve sharing their "wisdom" with the rest of us.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Protests are successful in places like France because they carry with them the implicit threat that the elites will sonner or later have their heads separated from their shoulders if they don't address the concerns of the rest of the population.

Meanwhile in the US there is not even the risk of the economic damage of a General Strike, much less of the physical integrity of those who actually control how the country is managed.

Several million Americans walking around in their own time holding boards decrying the current puppet of the elites ain't going to scare the elites into letting go of some of their power.

The murder by a single individual of a Healthcare Insurance company CEO had more concrete impact than this march of millions of Americans ever will.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Trump is a symptom, not the disease.

By worring so much about the puppet instead of the puppet masters, you're playing into the hands of the handful of people who control the politics of the US and hence the US.

Go after the real power of the land: the ultra-wealthy.

A General Strike would be a good start.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

That's as much "evidence" for your original "two sides" theory as it is for my "witch in the Moon" theory.

Also you've moved the goalposts to a self-fullfilling and generic to the point of uselessness statement "people should have done more to defeat Donald and the GOP".

That's like saying that "all drivers in car crashes should have done more not to crash their cars".

Well, true, but also about as worthless as "insights" go as "the sky is blue".

Also by blaming people you're implying that "the system works and is fair" hence the fault is entirelly of people who have full agency and control. I'm afraid that things like the partisan support in the US for Genocide or the extreme level of police violence show that "people" don't really have full agency or even much control - in fact I could spend the whole day listing how most people don't really have much in the way of control of how the US is managed, though granted those wo do have most of the control are people (unless one subscribes to the theory that the ultra-rich are lizard-men).

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, but at least we knew how to switch consoles.

I bet that most Linux users nowadays don't event know the CTRL+ALT+Fx shortcuts to switch console.

Can't say that the old days were really "good" compared to what we had now, but there was definitelly a lot of satisfaction in step by step getting the system to work.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stories from the "good" old days running Linux on a 386 machine with 4 MB or less of memory aside, in the present day it's still perfectly normal to run Linux on a much weaker machine as a server - you can just rent a the cheapest VPS you can find (which nowadays will have 128 MB, maybe 256MB, and definitelly only give you a single core) and install it there.

Of course, it won't be something with X-Windows or Wayland, much less stuff like LibreOffice.

I think the server distribution of Ubunto might fit such a VPS, though there are server-specific Linux distros that will for sure fit and if everything fails TinyCore Linux will fit in a potato.

I current have a server like that using AlmaLinux on a VPS with less than 1GB in memory, which is used only as a Git repository and that machine is overkill for it (it's the lowest end VPS with enough storage space for a Git repository big enough for the projects I'm working on, so judging by the server management interface and linux meminfo, that machine's CPU power and memory are in practice far more than needed).

If you're willing to live with a command line interface, you can run Linux on $50 worth of hardware.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Similar story but I just installed slackware on one of the University PCs (they just had a handful of PCs in the general computer room for the students and nobody actually watched over us) since I did not have a PC yet (only had a ZX Spectrum at the timback then).

Trying to get X-Windows to work in Slackware was interesting, to say the least: back then you had to manually create your own video timings configuration file to get the graphics to work - which means defining the video mode at the very low level, such as configuring the number of video clock cycles between end-of-line-drawing and horizontal-retrace - and fortunatelly I didn't actually blow up any monitor (which was possible if you did the configuration wrong).

At least we had some access to the Internet (most things were blocked but we had Usenet and e-email and one could use FTPmail gateways to download stuff from remote servers) via Ethernet, so that part was easy.

Anyways, my first reaction looking at the OP's post was like: yeah, if they're running X it's probably a too powerfull machine.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

My Tribe is made up of people who refuse to have a Tribe.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

You guys think that merely walking around in your own time holding up a board and shouting a bit, all focused on the mango puppet instead of the puppet masters, is going to change anything given that there is no single Historical event in the US ever of the lower classes rebelling against and deposit the upper classes (even the Revolution was literally the American plebs led by the American upper class fighting against the English plebs controlled by the English upper class)?!

The murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare had more impact, if only temporary because it wasn't followed by more similar murders.

Even millions of people marching and shouting a bit (and so polite that they do it in their own time) will cause no fear for the elites because that's in no way a warning that the heads of the elites will soon start getting separated from their shoulders if nothing changes.

You need at the very least a General Strike and/or targetting the economic and propaganda interests of the elites (trashing the TV studios of certain channels or certain newspapers would send a powerful message).

I mean, just notice the impact on police violence of the greatest demonstrations in the US - the George Floyd protests: nothing or even worse than nothing as the pigs have never been this violent.

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