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[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago (4 children)

No profits for companies. Wartime economy.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Special operation time economy*

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

source: the people who can't produce shells as fast as the two most sanctioned countries on earth 😆

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So did you not read the war time economy line above, or but understand it?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When you definitely understand what a war time economy is.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ok so no.

Obviously a country focused on military production can...produce militarily.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Military production accounts for like 6% of Russian GDP. Lives for vast majority of people living in Russia haven't been affected by the war in any way. Maybe read up a bit of history of WW2 to see what focusing a country on military production actually looks like.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Perhaps, even, no grift for oligarchs, wartime economy.

[–] Olifant@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Which I'm sure are definitely not of lower quality with an increased ratio of duds produced by a more war-centric economy that's ultimately degrading their society even further.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah idk man, I'd need to see some evidence that this was the case and not just wishful thinking on the level of "Their nukes probably don't even work."

[–] D61@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Nothing in the article supports that.

Also, nothing in the article specifies if the production capacity in Russia is from running the same factories longer or adding new factories. The former could increase defective munitions being produced and the later would probably show about the same level of defectives as production at lower rates.

Also, artillery shells and their fuses are two different things. Nothing in the article says anything about the fuse production, it might be assumed in the article and I'm just being pedantic, or it might an intentional oversight. Pretty sure its the fuses that are normally the problem when an artillery shell doesn't explode when its supposed to.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Then surely Ukraine can hold its own from these duds, without further funding?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even assuming Russian shells are lower quality (and you have absolutely zero evidence of that), a shitload of weapons that are lower quality can still beat you.

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Quantity has a quality all of its own

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

war-centric economy that's ultimately degrading their society even further

You're talking about the US here right?

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Well, with Ukraine being supplied with sufficient, high quality munitions and equipment (and certainly not ancient, mothballed rustbucket tanks), they'll push the RuZZian orcs out any minute now. That's right, any minute now, Steiner will advance and push them back to Moscow!

[–] olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago

I'm sure the Ukrainian drone manufacturers really appreciate this. The cheaper they are the more you have at depots, the bigger the boom when you bomb them.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When the dollar signs in your eyes make you forget one third of the phrase "military industrial complex."

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not only that, but also at a fraction of a cost.

In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60).

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/11/race-make-artillery-shells-us-eu-see-different-results/392288/

Russia’s production costs are also far lower than the West’s, in part because Moscow is sacrificing safety and quality in its effort to build weapons more cheaply, Mr. Salm said. For instance, it costs a Western country $5,000 to $6,000 to make a 155-millimeter artillery round, whereas it costs Russia about $600 to produce a comparable 152-millimeter artillery shell, he said.

https://archive.ph/k90gt

[–] D61@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Supply and demand curves, babyeee!

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Russia is producing artillery shells around three times faster than Ukraine's Western allies and for about a quarter of the cost, according to an analysis shared with Sky News.

The figures, produced by the management consulting firm Bain & Company, underline a major challenge faced by the Ukrainian armed forces as they rely on supplies of ammunition from the United States and Europe to battle Russia's full-scale invasion.

It prompted the US, the UK and other European allies to seek to ramp up production in their respective factories, but their ability to manufacture artillery rounds still lags behind Russia's despite a combined economic strength that far outmatches Moscow's.

"Often, with just one, two or three shells, we can completely destroy a target," said Senior Lieutenant Kostiantin, an artillery battery commander with the 57th Brigade, which is fighting against a new Russian invasion into the Kharkiv region, in the northeast of Ukraine.

Sky News visited a group of new recruits in the east of the country who were learning how to use an N-LAW anti-tank missile, first provided to the Ukrainian military by the UK.

Sky News visited a factory in Belfast in April where the N-LAW missile is assembled by Thales, a global defence company.


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