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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their only dignified escape from the conservative nightmare is by their own hand. Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing.

Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. And the plague is spreading.

[-] bobman@unilem.org 7 points 1 year ago

What if they don't have the power to topple their oppressors without foreign intervention?

It seems that's the case for Iran.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I agree. A revolution would be a violent and bloody one. I worry it would still be ineffective. Conservatism is like cancer. The treatment is deadly for both the disease and its victim.

[-] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.

It only makes sense in the case of active mass genocides (think WWII, Cambodia or Serbia). Toppling an oppresive but stable regime through foreign power always ends in destabilisation and even more suffering to the people.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.

Agreed.

Anyone who suggests otherwise needs to look at the very long history of foreign attempts at "intervention" in Afghanistan.

The country was left worse than it was after each of those many failed attempts.

[-] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Serbia? Serbia (SR Yugoslavia) did a lot of nasty shit, but 99' intervention was not a product of a genocide, let alone a massive one.

UN ruling in question, BBC article.

Crimes against humanity and war crimes did take place, it said, but "the exactions committed by Milosevic's regime cannot be qualified as criminal acts of genocide, since their purpose was not the destruction of the Albanian ethnic group... but its forceful departure from Kosovo".

Srebreica was a genocide, but was not perpotrated by actual Serbia, if it makes any difference...

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[-] Peddlephile@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

...wasn't foreign intervention the primary reason why Iran is in this mess in the first place?

[-] bobman@unilem.org 0 points 1 year ago

That means it's impossible to intervene with positive results.

Is that what you're implying? Just say it, lol. But you won't because you know how stupid it sounds.

[-] AndreaHill@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Latest: The Taliban have decreed that any woman caught attempting suicide will be put to death.

[-] 3laws@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't some JudeoIslamic factions already punish suicide with death?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. Though it's not really as hypocritical as it seems at first glance.

Assume you view suicide as being punished with eternal torment.

Someone wants to kill themselves, but, if you kill them instead it isn't a mortal sin.

From your moral framework the execution is now a mercy. They no longer suffer, in this life or the next.

Ya know, if you believe in sky daddies and whatnot.

[-] pixeltree@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, even without the religious aspect, that might be kinda nice

"We caught you trying to kill yourself through some nasty means, here, have some state sponsored painless nitrogen to breathe"

I mean setting aside the horrible power it would give the gov, it's a really funny image of someone being talked down from suicide by jumping into getting professional suicide help so they can do it easier

I would prefer some therapy first, but I also believe in the right to self termination if that fails, so fair enough.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Suicide, really. That's the last thing you should try. You realize that suicide's a criminal offense. In less enlightened times, they'd have hung you for it.

-- Peter Cook, Bedazzled (1968)

[-] morphballganon@mtgzone.com 5 points 1 year ago

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[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 year ago

They should kill the men in their lives first

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm sure some have tried, and succeeded, and I'm sure some have tried and failed.

I'm betting what follows for both situations is making these women take their lives first instead.

[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

What follows is death anyway, might as well make a bit of difference in the process

[-] mzesumzira@leminal.space 11 points 1 year ago

While I agree, there may be a difference in the level of suffering they'd need to endure before death

[-] xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“females made up more than three-quarter of recorded suicide deaths and treated survivors”

Sounds like women are basically enslaved. I can understand that some slaves decide that death is better.

Fun place to live. /s

[-] bobman@unilem.org 5 points 1 year ago

I wonder if they would've preferred the US to stay longer.

[-] CapnMoisesBKind@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Disturbing yes but not entirely surprising. I hope the Taliban get their just dues for what their doing to women soon.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago

They won't.

[-] Tygr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago
[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The army that folded in two days after 20 years of time wasted trying to make a horse drink.

[-] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

West Armies should have armed the women and minorities.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's the middle east, they're not "minorities" in their own fucking country lol

Armed the women? Certainly would have worked if they'd been willing to fight, probably would have only driven more Afghani army into the Taliban's ranks though. Considering even the non-extremists in the area don't want women equal to men at this point.

Sharia law is the problem, we will never have a functional middle east until religious authoritarianism stops being the actual written law. Problem is most of them are comfortable in their current existence and have no reason to change. Any change we suggest or offer will just be met with "these evil westerners are trying to destroy our faith!"

[-] BloodForTheBloodGod@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

There are non-Pashtun minorities in Afghanistan.

Trying to preserve an Afghan state was the mistake.

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[-] bobman@unilem.org 7 points 1 year ago

Hope unfortunately doesn't mean anything in the face of abuse.

You either have power, or you don't.

[-] CapnMoisesBKind@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. That’s sad. I hope there will be changes. But you’re correct. It’s a sad reality

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

The only way that will happen is for the women of Afghanistan to receive the same training and equipment as the Ukrainian army are getting.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Absolutely tragic, but I probably would do the same were I forced to live the life they're forced to with no hope of escape.

[-] yoz@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago
[-] punseye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

it kinda already is, look up bacha bazi

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This was 100% predictable

[-] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

To be expected.

[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Gee, I wonder why... is it because they're treated like property instead of people?

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