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[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 37 points 4 months ago
[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago
[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 64 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

looks a lot worse if you compare it to 2019, and account for the fact “other” has a lot of far right parties such as the “SS aren’t war criminals” AFD.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 84 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

On that subject…

Just in case anyone needed proof that Elmo (Elon) is a Nazi.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Can you share some AfD policies for those who haven't been following as closely? I know they're anti-immigration, but that's broad and vague.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Anti-Islam, Anti-EU, Remove Welfare, Mass deportations (even for people with german passports it they haven’t “integrated” — code word for being white, straight, and able-bodied) Russian apologists, “Völkish Nationalism”, — you get the picture

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Huh, wonder why Russian apologists have such a high correlation with these movements.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ever wonder why mainstream social media feeds were filled with right wing content, and far right comments? Or why left-wing communities get hijacked by people saying you should not vote, or only vote for super far left pro-russia parties.

Behold the “Russian Web Brigades” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

To avert suspicions, the users sandwich political remarks between neutral articles on travelling, cooking and pets.[25] They overwhelm comment sections of media to render meaningful dialogue impossible.[39][40]

This is why I left reddit. I would say 1 in 10 accounts is one of these. It is crazy.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

They're here too. Not in the same numbers, but they're here.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Is there any state backed keyboard army free social media? :(

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

As soon as a social media becomes popular they'll be there.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Maybe if some government makes one that confirms identity and has penalties for allowing others to post on your account. But, you know, there's a whole host of other issues with that.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I hate being disabled and unable to leave my bed.

I wish I could interact with people in real life…

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Putin's idea of making Russia stronger of bringing everyone else down to their level, instead of making actual improvements in Russia.

[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

It's the only thing he has the resources to do.

Troll farms are easy ways to get a lot of discontent in opposing nations for minimum expenditure

[-] Maultasche@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Russian apologists

Not all, some are payed off by the Chinese instead of the Russians

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Yes, but the CCP themselves are russian apologists so doesn’t change much.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Lmao that's hilarious. This is quite literally "are my views extremist? No, the libruls must be wrong"

[-] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Fuck man, some day Elon is gonna come out and say that people should drink more water or something and I’m going to really struggle.

I mean it’s extremely unlikely because that would be a simple thing we would be doing without anything in it for him, so it basically won’t happen

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

Am I reading the article correctly when I put the dividing line between right wing and left wing somewhere in the "other" section?

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

yeah. Renew is pretty neo-liberal but they have lately moved a bit more socially conservative, especially on immigration.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

They wanted to kick out the Swedish Liberal party from Renew because they are collaborating with the far right here. Renew allowed them to stay in the group. So yeah, they are not directly against the far right either.

[-] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Putin, russian czar: 'Divide and conquer!' Orban: 'Great, western ukraine is hungarian territory now!' Rest of Europe: 'Who would have known? It is the fault of the immigrants!' /S

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

I need to graffiti my walls so I remember that we live in the stupid timeline.

[-] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 16 points 4 months ago

I bet, a lot of people felt that way throughout history.

However, given we have the internet, the best access for information we ever had, it's really ridiculous how little people seem to care about spending some time to critically think about their election choice.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Which should tell us that access to information wasn't the problem.

Personally, I think the problem is that the internet allows the worst of humanity to congregate in a virtual space. The sort of people who would have felt completely alone with their "political opinions" (usually involving literal murder) before the internet – because they're such horrifying pieces of shit that nobody wanted anything to do with them – can now find likeminded human garbage online, and feel like their opinions are actually common, acceptable and mainstream. Couple that with the ability to spread disinformation as efficiently as information, and you end up where we are now. There's a reason why so many mass murderers have gotten their "education" on online forums like the various chans. And this isn't even getting into using machine learning to influence peoples' opinions like what corporations Cambridge Analytica and Facebook have provably done already and all in the service of the psychotic conservative agenda, which is a whole 'nother can of worms likely even worse than what we had before.

I unironically think that the internet was a mistake and will be our undoing.

Edit: relevant may-may

[-] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I think future historians will also come to the conclusion that a large factor contributing to the current rise of fascism in Western democracies was a very successful hybrid war effort by Putin's Russia.

I mean it's already pretty obvious that European and US fascists have very close ties to Russian agents. Putin is waging a global digital war - combining old propaganda techniques with social media echo chambers - and we're losing hard right now.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

Oh yes, I absolutely agree, and the biggest reason Russians have been so successful with their disinformation campaign is the internet.

[-] mecfs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

The internet isn’t bad itself.

It’s the fact that bad actors (rich companies, power hungry people, and especially authoritarian states) can hire millions of people and create millions of bots to intentionally spread their narratives on social media. This is immoral, so good actors don’t do it.

No one talks about the problem or acknowledges it. Social Media needs regulation to prevent this, or it will be our undoing.

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

We kinda can blame the internet for letting a bot present itself as a human. If secure ID was in the infrastructure, better content. If all value production were rewarded with money and value destruction taxed, even better.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Who gets to define "value production" and "value destruction"?

Also, assuming that the problem is automatons producing false information instead of just regular 'ol fuckwits is, in my view, misguided. A huge chunk of the of bullshit online is probably not produced by automated systems but by actual humans – they may be working for bullshit farms like the Russian "Internet Research Agency", but they're human nonetheless.

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure, the internet itself isn't bad or good, but human nature being what it is means that this is what we get. Regulating it wouldn't stop shitty humans from finding each other on it

edit: also consider that the worst of humanity are generally the ones with the most power right now; they have no interest in making the internet better

[-] Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 4 months ago

Too soon.

I'm still knocked out by the results.

[-] index@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Don't fall for the propaganda, the only thing these corrupted politicians will blow up is peasants and their rights. You wish they would blow up the rulers glass palace but they are just going to sit there and do what other rulers do

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Aren't the milquetoast CDU types still the plurality?

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