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Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem - Lemmy.World (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

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Everything I hate is now tankie. We must stop this by getting them to censor what we think is tankie

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[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago

I wonder if Lemmy.world's Red Scare will result in more leftists leaving .world, and more Liberals from Reddit replacing them, creating a schism between Lemmy.world and related instances, and Grad/Hexbear/.ml. a sort of Multipolar Lemmy.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's already happening when lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear. In general, there's no point in using Lemmy, which is still missing features from Reddit, unless you:

Subscribe to political ideology that's against the Reddit mainstream (eg socialism and open fascism)
Are into TOS-violating activities (piracy, shoplifting, buying drugs online, depraved pedo shit)

The people doing it for FOSS reasons are few in number, and the people doing it because they hate spez have crawled back to Reddit.

By defederating from Hexbear and Lemmygrad as well as being intolerant of that piracy comm means that lemmy.world will eventually slide towards fascism as its way of growing. In general, other Lemmy instances will either fade into irrelevance or adopt one of the two. If a Lemmy instance isn't spicy enough, it'll either orient itself towards socialism or towards fascism. Look at an instance like beehaw. They are openly contemptuous of the socialist instances, but since they, to their credit, also refuse to slide towards fascism, they have become irrelevant.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

lemmy.world will eventually slide towards fascism

Why my antitankie space is full of fash, exhibit 8716287135

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago

Oh, of course. Lemmy.world is the great net that specifically captures Radical Liberals with no specific, niche interests. It's a more terminally online Reddit.

[-] whodoctor11@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

any leftist that stayed in lemmy.world after they blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com and defederated from hexbear.net is not that leftist

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

People are trickling in from Reddit all the time, I don't fault new Lemmy users for just picking the largest general instance.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 5 months ago

https://lemmy.world/post/16233963

And cue the flood of defed spam

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[+] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This is weird, because from lemmy.ml I can get to lemmy.world/c/fediverse, but I can't see this post.

I have accounts on a handful of instances and this is a common thing. Even instances that are federated with each other will often not be able to see some of each other's users (or their posts obviously) and even entire communities. There are lemmy.ml comms that we can't see from hexbear. For months I couldn't see any of my comments made on my hexbear account from my lemmygrad account and there are certain hexbear users I can't see at all from my lemmygrad account and other ones I can't see from my lemmy account. (Edit: Any comments made in the last 7 months on my lemmygrad account, I can't see from hexbear.) Personally, I'd recommend that hexbears make accounts on other instances too, not just to see these things that are invisible, but also to comment and counter some of the liberal bullshit that so often goes unchallenged because it was posted by people on instances that defederated from hexbear. Like .world, and the trash they spew across lemmy, as this post demonstrates.

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

Isn't there something about a user has to be subscribed to another instance's comm to get them shared? I remember hearing something like that.

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[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 months ago

Does this one work? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

I've found the fediverse one weird sometimes. Was surprised the first time I tried to get the link it sas the feddit.nl url not world

[-] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Yeah, using that link, you're viewing lemmy.world's fediverse comm but you're viewing it from the feddit.nl instance. From lemmy.world itself, the link to that comm would be https://lemmy.world/c/fediverse. The post we're talking about is visible from those places, as it should be. If hexbear were federated with .world, the link for us would be http://hexbear.net/c/fediverse@lemmy.world, but that doesn't work since we aren't federated. Since lemmy.ml is federated with lemmy.world, the following is the link to the same comm from lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/c/fediverse@lemmy.world However, you'll notice that the post in question "Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem" is not visible from that link. Which means that everyone logged in and using lemmy.ml do not see that post. It doesn't exist as far as they're concerned, since the only way to see it would be to do so from an instance that is not their own, which people are not liable to go looking for since they aren't aware of what they can't see. I don't know if instances can make certain posts inaccessible to other instances (never heard of that, but maybe?), but whether it was done intentionally or is just a lemmy bug, the effect is the same.

I hope that made sense, and I apologize if I was just explaining a bunch of stuff you already know. Just trying to clarify the issue and explain it in case others are confused.

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[-] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 5 months ago

The reason I ended up on lemmygrad/hexbear is because I saw folks posting to .ml/.world

So keep up the praxis?

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 months ago

These are obvious faults in the fed structure and can and should be addressed via server and client features. The fediverse concept is a technology in its infancy and it's allowed to stumble as it learns to walk.

They feel like the only tool to prevent this is defederation. We also have instance blocking server side, right? Is there an in-between feature that could work? Something weird like shareable instance filter lists. Or a "maybe" category - some "Enter at your own risk" flag an instance could set short of defederation?

I'm not here just because fuck spez etc, but because I think the fediverse will be a stepping stone to better tech to manage diverse populations, so I'm not really interested in fixing libs so much as having tools to better federate.

[-] highalectical@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 5 months ago

We also have instance blocking server side, right?

Individual users can block instances if that's what you mean.

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