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online anti cheats are the worst thing (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by Ineocla@lemmy.ml to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

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Recently, i had to move from nixos to windows against my will simpy because of anti cheats. While i dont game that much, the few games i enjoy playing are all online with some kind of anti cheat. I used to dual boot but i was tired of having to wait for my slow hdd to load windows (i only have one ssd). I literally used linux for everything else but because of anti cheats i am forced to move to windows. I managed to make it a little better by using wsl2 and removing bloatware but it will never be the same as linux

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[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I think what you meant to write is "online games with anticheat are the worst thing".

Because "online anticheat" is becoming a thing wherein the anticheat system is run on a remote server and not your local system. Not only does it not need to install malware on your local system, but it does a better job at catching cheaters.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Yup, and it's a fantastic option. AFAIK, that's what Valve uses for CS:GO, and while it's not perfect, it isn't intrusive and largely does its job.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

That's not even what I was referring to. I'm talking about full anticheat server-side. Waldo Vision

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting. Most of what I've seen operates on inputs, like whether aiming is too accurate or the player moves unrealistically fast.

But I'm in favor of anything server-side, we really shouldn't be trying to make the clien more trustworthy.

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[-] silvercove 22 points 1 year ago

I refuse to buy a game that has DRM or anti cheat.

[-] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I would too, but it play it with firends and they couldn't care less about free software and linux. They just want to play no questions asked

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[-] rbos@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Sometimes you have to choose between what is convenient and what is right, and sometimes that means giving things up. But not everyone is willing or able to do that. It's fine, do what you feel you need to.

[-] sirsquid@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This. Use whatever is best for you and sometimes that just isn’t Linux. We don’t win people over by trying to force anything :)

Hopefully this issue will continue to get better over time, which it is slowly.

[-] philluminati@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Same here. I’ve only a Linux machine for over a decade but I had to go out and buy Windows just so I could play on FaceIT. I’m praying that cs2 supports Linux and the MM experience is good enough to make FaceIT obsolete.

[-] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

Cs2 is 100% getting Linux support. Wouldnt make sense for a company that heavily invested in Linux to not support it

[-] tea2022@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

100% im switching to nixos/arch when cs2 releases

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[-] smeeps@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Buy windows? 🤯🤯🤯

[-] 30p87@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I hope they didn't actually buy it from M$ at least, but a third party reseller for five bucks

[-] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Personally never bought it. (Windows activation script ftw)

[-] philluminati@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I did, it was £79 or £89 if I recall. Windows 10 home edition. Also I don’t get Windows 11 because my mobo/cpu don’t support it.

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[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

A Windows license is in the realm of $200

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[-] czech@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

NVMe drives have become to inexpensive recently I just bit the bullet and dual-boot windows from it's own drive. Takes less than ten seconds to switch.

[-] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Just make sure you physically disconnect all other storage devices while installing windows. The windows boot loader seems to make itself comfy on any drive it can find.

[-] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

I just refuse to buy any games with client side anti cheat. It's just too much of a security and privacy risk to have those rootkits on my computers.

[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't be so spineless.

Plenty of games work without anti cheat on Linux and I only play them.

You just buckled under the tiniest amount of pressure, but you would have to pry Linux out of my cold dead hands.

[-] Clipper152@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not sure why there are so many downvotes. Are there really that many people in here of all places who think gaming is just triple-A games from companies that don't respect their players and nothing else?

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[-] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago

It's actually pretty hard to fuck up your game that much that it doesn't work on Linux.

Many anti cheat even work under proton.

So yeah, just don't fucking buy shit games.

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[-] mee@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't like it because that's the kind of elitist attitude that turns away new people from checking out Linux gaming. Imagine that as a response to "Hey I play these games and am interested in Linux". You're going to tell them: "switch to Linux and give up those games and if you don't you're not committed enough"?

It's gatekeeping "console-wars" fanboy mentality. Like a ~~Linux~~ Playstation fan attacking someone for playing an ~~Windows~~ Xbox Exclusive. As if that's supposed to be their whole identity, and not just a way to play video games.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple consoles; there's nothing wrong with dual-booting.

[-] Clipper152@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

In my experience, most Windows-exclusive games work just fine under Wine. It's not that big a deal.

This thread isn't even about Windows games per se, but about a few games whose anti-cheats are screwing over Linux users.

[-] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I could stop playing these games right now. As i said i'm don't use my computer for gaming that much. I could be perfectly satisfied with only minecraft. But i play them with the homies and i can't let them down

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[-] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity, which games are those?

[-] Ineocla@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Fall guys fortnite and apex (judge me if you want but my broke firend don't wanna try anything else)

[-] Micha3lo@feddit.nl 7 points 1 year ago

I can confirm that both apex and fallguys are working just fine on Linux. Fortnite on the other hand does not.

[-] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

I'm not judging, as I said I was curious. I get it though, Apex just had a Linux ban wave, Fortnite well, it's owned by Epic and Fall Guys to my knowledge requires editing AC files so Windows in your case is more convenient

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[-] MinekPo1@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Honestly something I'm surprised no game is doing is embrace the hackers.

For example, create a HvH gamemode where users can use lua scripts to aid them. I bet this would turn a lot of people away from the actual cheating scene.

[-] ______@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Cheaters are sociopaths. Most of them pretend to be good and post clips or try to get a following until they inevitably get banned.

Every script kiddie says this same thing. There are already HvH servers. Barely anyone plays them. If a company had official HvH it would encourage cheating. Fuck cheaters..

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[-] calzie@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this might (barely) work for Source games like CS:GO, TF2, etc but on games like Overwatch, Valorant, Fortnite, etc there are a lot less exploits that would keep HvH actually interestering like fake angles, doubletap, etc like there are in the Source Engine (mind you this is because the engine is literally from 2003 and based on Goldsrc which is based on the damn Quake engine.)

also this did exist for a while in cs:go TECHNICALLY, wingman in CSGO had overwatch disabled (when they were collecting data for vac.net) for almost a year and was literally just used to hvh but it never stopped people from cheating in competitive.

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[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

Dam. Sorry to hear.

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