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nuclear take: (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago by DanTDM@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 108 points 2 months ago

[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

I get that but he's lost so many pixels is it really him?

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

If you can recognize its him then yeah its him.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago

I have no horse in the Linux distro race, I'm just downvoting this inferior version of the meme format because fuck that guy.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 16 points 2 months ago

You can down vote on lemmy?

[-] taaz@biglemmowski.win 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

lemmy.one has disabled downvotes, it's up to admins of each instance if they allow viewing and making downvotes.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

At least in the Voyager app. I have heard it's not the same thing as elsewhere but I haven't taken the time to understand how or why it's different.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I use the Voyager web app via lemmy.one and it does not.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

🤷

[-] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

I also like this setting for displaying separate up and down votes

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 points 2 months ago

Maybe the Lemmy instance I use blocks down votes?

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That sounds reasonable to me! Would explain why the mobile app has it and the web app doesn't; I don't know if a Lemmy instance has a way to advertise the functions it supports to third party apps.

[-] Zangoose@lemmy.one 4 points 2 months ago

I think blocking downvotes is an option built into Lemmy servers that can be communicated through the API. I know there are a decent amount of instances that don't federate downvotes because of toxicity concerns.

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

For me, the Boost Lemmy app let me downvote even though my instance has it disabled... It just quietly failed and when I go back the downvote isn't there.

The Jerboa and Voyager apps, on the other hand, don't: Voyager let's you try but correctly shows an error, while Jerboa flat out doesn't offer it since I can't anyway

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[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 months ago

Bold :-) openSUSE is based on zypper and rpm. Arch Linux uses its own package system.

p.s. Please replace that Change my mind guy with a Calvin and Hobbes one.

[-] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

Maybe they used him because it's a shit opinion?

[-] furycd001@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

OpenSUSE was actually released long before Arch even existed. I'm an Arch user, btw, but I consider both operating systems to be excellent choices. Everyone has their own preferences. Let people enjoy what they like and embrace their individuality. We don't all have to be alike....

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

OpenSUSE was actually released long before Arch even existed.

You're basically right but just some historic facts added :

Judd Vinet started the Arch Linux project in March 2002. OpenSUSE : Its development was opened up to the community in 2005, which marked the creation of openSUSE. Before that it was called SUSE Linux, first released in 1994.

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Somebody has never used opensuse. Zypper is an amazing package manager, one of the best on any distro.

It can handle flatpacks, native packages, and packages from the opensuse build system, keeping everything updated and organized.

Pacman is very basic by comparison, and a lot slower too in my experience.

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Wait something can be slower than Zypper? Does it have a bunch of sleep(1) scattered around?

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I guess I'm smart enough to install opensuse, but dumb enough that I somehow got slow pacman.

I kid you not, on my hardware zypper is the fastest between ubuntu apt, fedora dnf, and arch pacman. dnf was the second-fastest on my hardware, with apt and pacman being pretty sluggish

I've also used portage which was even slower, but probably not a fair comparison considering how much more complex it is.

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[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 2 months ago

Wait, zypper can handle flatpaks? How?

[-] gingernate@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

I would also like to know

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Steven Crowder is dumb enough to think that.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Serious question: What makes Arch's package manager so "great"? I always just found it confusing to use. The flags don't make any sense to me. It feels like you have to add a varying number of s or y to get it to do what you want. I never found it to be any faster or slower than any of the others (apart from portage of course) out there. And apart from the flags it doesn't seem to give me any more or less trouble than the others.

[-] wfh@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

pacman -Snstall -yefresh -yefresh -unly-upgrades

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

User is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

[-] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

LOL, me using Debian for the first time.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

sudo is not installed. Check apt search sudo for possible sources.

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[-] exu@feditown.com 5 points 2 months ago

As a user it's definitely harder to get into than apt or dnf. However, as a packager, it's very easy to package new applications for pacman. That's also why the AUR offers this many packages often not found in other distros.

[-] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Dunno. Anecdotal, a few years ago pacman appeared to be much faster than apt-get for me. Currently I don't see that very much difference but then again I haven't paid much attention to it.

Pacman can do parallel downloads (which I haven't tried) : https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/pacman#Enabling_parallel_downloads

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[-] Encamped@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

It's fast. That's why it's great. I've considered switching to opensuse a lot, but the speed of pacman compared to how slow zypper is always drags me back to arch

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[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

OpenSUSE exists as a testbed for SLE, I don't think there's anything confusing about that. It's also much easier to get to a sensible setup for new users. If it weren't for the AUR and the Arch Wiki, I would probably still be using it.

[-] clemdemort@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Have you ever even used opensuse?

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

Arch has no reason to exist as almost all of it's benefits are replicated with nix without having your system fail to boot because you dared to update it.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

The gamble is the fun part tho

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[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

What the fuck do you do to have this happen?

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

Run pacman -Syu, reboot, and it fails to boot. Had it happen many times with arch and derivatives on multiple devices. It's far more likely to happen if you don't update for like a month.

[-] Moshpirit@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Not updating in a month?! What kind of arch user is that?

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[-] Titou@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

Asshole meme template + really biased take. You really wanted to be downvoted aren't you ?

[-] cetvrti_magi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Arch based distros are pretty stable in my experience. I actually had much more problems on distros like Debian and PopOs than Arch.

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I hate it when I update Debian and it fails to boot. Oh wait...

[-] cetvrti_magi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Problems I had were because of software not being on the latest version, not updates. Things just work on Arch for me. Only thing that ever broke was Xorg because of Nvidia drivers but that's pretty easy fix.

[-] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Problems I had were because of software not being on the latest version

I really need to get someone to make a jingle for this: just use flatpak/appimage/distrobox/nix...

Things just work on Arch for me.

And how long have you been using that install? I ran arch and derivatives for 2+ years on multiple devices and can't count how many times they failed to boot due to an update.

MX + nix unstable give me the same bleeding edge packages without risking my system exploding randomly, while also giving me a bunch of other benefits.

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[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

doesn't opensuse have guis for every single thing you could possibly do?

[-] owatnext@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Sorry. I didn't even read it. I just down voted when I saw that terrible human being.

[-] Staraven1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Arch stable ? I mean, from experience, I've had one break in stability so bad it made me hop : the lack of gentoo-like config protect. To be fair, I was on Artix but the breakage was versions of Pipewire deleting not just my changed config files but config files it couldn't run without ! Or to be fair, also, actual Arch but on my phone, plasma 5 package conflicts (that came as is from the installation image) prevent the whole system from updating 🙃 ... Never had any of those 2 problems on OpenSUSE or, to be fair, non-Arch-based distros

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