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Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.
The difference is that on Reddit I got suspended from the entire site for "report abuse" because I (correctly) reported misinformation in r/conservative and it hurt the snowflake mods' fee-fees.
In other words, Lemmy is structurally superior because there are no fascist admins with the power to ban you from the entire network.
Lmao, I reported genocidal comments in r/worldnews and was site banned for the same reason.
I had 4 reports total, 2 were acted on and the other 2 were pretty blatant calls to violence.
It's actually what made me quit Reddit.
Meanwhile I got no questions asked appeal denied lifetime banned from Reddit for saying "I should totally be allowed to punch Nazis".
I always mentally append "Nazi sympathizers" to reddit now...
Being banned from a conservative zone is like a mark of quality humanship.
It's full of bad faith arguments, putting rules before humanity, the strictest possible interpretation of those rules, and they LOVE to put words in your mouth or waste your time asking for resources that they won't read and will just respond "What are you even talking about?" because they've already moved the goal posts. Their newest mod spent his first hour as a mod getting in fights about Hunter Biden's laptop and is so vehemently against tax increases because he's one of the rich whose taxes would probably go up. He'll gladly tell you that the rich are already paying TOO MUCH and they wouldn't benefit from paying more.
But, hey, at least they ban the R word and homophobia.
I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.
Make America Boring Again
I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it's refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.
It was always worth your time. The whole boomer mentality of not talking about politics is how we got into this mess.
But I'm glad you're with us now. The sane need all the help we can get.
Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a "both sides" thing.
I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.
There's a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of "both sides" blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden "Genocide Joe" or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden's policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump's policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.
Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as "both sides".
Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.
I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.
The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.
I'm willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I've been accused of making "both sides" arguments many, many times. It's almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.
I don't disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or "uni-party" arguments. However, it's also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.
I'm just pointing out of that it's really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it's not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.
While I’m sure these trolls exist, I think there is still a minority that genuinely disliked the dems and don’t want to support genocide.
My point is: everytime I see someone saying that lemmy is having a coordinated effort to trash Biden, it kind of makes me trust that statement less because I’m one of those who actually criticizes Biden without trolling.
This is why those trolls are so effective, cause their goal is not to troll us, is to get us to troll and argue with each other over miscommunications they started.
Then I don't think you understand the difference between trolling and criticism. There is absolutely plenty to criticize about Biden, and criticism should be done, however making up "genocide Joe" comments, trashing on voting for him, and implying potential supporters are complicit in the actions of the administration is not criticism.
This video is about 2020 in general, but it really encapsulates the news style Trump fostered. Just a firehose of garbage that overwhelms the senses. And it's only gotten worse.
I believe Steve Bannon's quote was, "flood the zone with shit." News is by definition, new, so if you never give people a chance to talk about what happened 5 hours ago, nobody is ever pissed off for the same reason.
“flood the zone with shit.”
This is pretty much just how US media has always worked.
no, it absolutely is not.
this is a new thing, which really started with 9/11.
this is a new thing,
I guess you don't remember the garbage they were peddling in US media back in the 80s and 90s?
From wikipedia:
First presented in their 1988 book Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, the propaganda model views corporate media as businesses interested in the sale of a product—readers and audiences—to other businesses (advertisers) rather than the pursuit of quality journalism in service of the public. Describing the media's "societal purpose", Chomsky writes, "... the study of institutions and how they function must be scrupulously ignored, apart from fringe elements or a relatively obscure scholarly literature". The theory postulates five general classes of "filters" that determine the type of news that is presented in news media. These five classes are: ownership of the medium, the medium's funding sources, sourcing, flak, and anti-communism or "fear ideology".
It did intensify after 9/11 - but it was only an intensification of what was already there.
ah, I suppose I'll concede - I was referring to the 24/7 flood of shit (which was a distinct change in intensification of the flood), but you were just meaning a flood of shit.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there's bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it's just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now...
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it to go wrong. It's kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
Everybody thinks they'll come out on top after a "revolution" but they almost certainly will not. Such chaos is far more likely to help than hurt fascists. That's kind of their jam.
See: Iran.
AAAAnd China. The progressive communist revolution was pioneered by young and ambitious urban intellectuals to fight against warlords, Foreign imperialism, and old China; later also the attempted dictatorship of Chiang Kai-shek. Unfortunately, their hard work was eventually hijacked by conservatives and dictators.
A bit of fun fact: after the communist revolution and cultural revolution, China was slowly stepping towards democracy, through internal CCP reform:
called for the end of bureaucracy, centralisation of power as well as patriarchy, proposing term limits to the leading positions in China and advocating the "democratic centralism" as well as the "collective leadership".
Deng emphasized that the Constitution must be able to protect the civil rights of Chinese citizens and must reflect the principle of separation of powers; he also described the idea of "collective leadership" and championed the principle of "one man, one vote" among leaders to avoid the dictatorship of the General Secretary of CCP.
Unfortunately, the pro-democracy crowd lost, because they sided with Tiananmen square student protest. Their defeat eventually leads to the Tiananmen Square massacre. And the political power fallen into the hand of the conservatives.
after the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, many leading reformists including Zhao and Bao were removed from their posts, and the majority of the planned political reforms (after 1986) ended drastically. Left-wing conservatives led by Chen Yun, President Li Xiannian and Premier Li Peng took control
The pro-democracy leaders were all weakened or arrested after Tiananmen Square massacre:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Ziyang
lost power for his support of the 1989 Tian'anmen Square protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Qili
he was purged for his sympathy toward the student protesters and his support for General Secretary Zhao Ziyang's opposition to the use of armed force.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bao_Tong
During the 1989 Tian’anmen square protests, he was one of the very few Chinese senior officials to express understandings with the demonstrating students, which led to his arrest shortly before the June Fourth incident.
So there might be a bizarre alternative world, where Tiananmen Square protest did not happen and China is now a democracy...
Oh true! Great point, that example slipped my mind but very on point.
I'm pretty old. Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.
He should be viewed as a national hero for beating Donnie in 2020 and making it stick, which was probably harder than it looked. The US President starting a coup has lots of strings to pull.
I totally agree, but I also think that every president for the last 50+ years would have walked out of office and into a prison cell in a just world. Judged in that context, Biden looks pretty good.
Also, a ham sandwich would have beaten Trump in 2020. I know this because half the Biden supporters on Reddit were constantly paving over Biden's deep flaws by pointing out that they would pick a ham sandwich over Trump. I have no idea why it was always a ham sandwich. All Biden had to do was hide in his basement and not say anything mind-blisteringly stupid. That and avoid catching COVID from Trump on the debate stage.
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