It's not a protest if it doesn't inconvenience who you're protesting. All real protesters are arrested, because they inconvenience power (who have but the way made all inconvenient protests illegal).
I'm proud of these guys for standing up for what they believe in. Solidarity.
Protest should intend on being an inconvenience, though arrest should be avoided if at all possible. It absolutely kills longevity and leads to people making arrest a core intention while rambling about non-violence. Really what you want is to have strategy and numbers that spook cops enough to not bother because they won't if they think its going to be too much trouble for them.
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply arrest was the goal but rather a common side-effect of effective protest.
Most protest arrests in the US are released the same day or the next day. Nobody looking to make a movement is getting taken off the board.
Of course the people in power do keep trying to change that. But as of yet, they've been unsuccessful.
While they are released it assists the police with intelligence gathering. In the UK police are known for giving bail conditions like "you can't meet within more than 4 people"
Sounds like they were arrested for trespassing because they were protesting inside the CEOs office amongst other places.
At stake is that this cloud technology will be used for military applications by IDF and ultimately help perpetuate genocide .
Inconveniencing protests that go unrecognized or are criminalized lead to the next step: industrial sabotage.
Maybe Google needs to lose a few servers to captured NSO malware.
Google: don't be --evil--
Well they actually changed the motto because "don't be evil" was too ambiguous. The motto now is "do the right thing". It's now okay to be evil, as long as you're "doing the right thing".
Yeah, of all the things google has done, rewrite "don't be evil" is really not one of them. Didn't their parent company also pick up the motto as well?
"Do evil and hide it for long enough such that people can't do much about it later when they find out about it"? DEAHIFLESTPCDMAILWTFOAI for short?
Use two tildes (~) before and after:
Google: don't be ~~evil~~
Google: don't be ~~evil~~
more like google: ~~dont~~ be evil
I don't know, I kind of like the idea of someone deciding their company motto is to not exist at all.
Don't be? Evil! A la Lionel Hutz
Say hello to Miguel Sanchez.
Good luck with that sentiment. People tried to boycott products made or designed in Israel and then realized it's near impossible. Edit: Found a list
That list is not "products made or designed in Israel". That list is just companies that support Israel.
I just don't want anyone to have the false impression that a relationship with Israel is necessary. It definitely is not.
It's impossible to target all of them, yes. But that's why BDS creates a targeted list of the worst offenders to concentrate consumer boycott pressure.
Currently the BDS list includes 8 targets, including HP, Sabra, Siemens, Puma, and Soda stream. https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott
do steal them though. stealing them is good.
edit: this got down votes? let me explain: if you just dont buy them, someone else can. If you steal them, then whatever middleman spends the cost but doesn't make the profit. if lots of people steal them, the insurance on that cargo/merchandise goes up. it gets more expensive and eventually market forces mean those products won't get stocked, when theres any alternative.
which means they get less. you not having to go without, or even making a profit, is just a nice bonus.
From "Don't be evil" to now, "Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb".
Last time I heard a line like that is by Dark Helmet in Space Balls.
Who would've thought an evil company would mistreat its employees. They literally work for a corporation whose main business involves violating your human rights, if they really care they wouldn't have worked there in the first place.
Instead they should just work for all those good companies that's everywhere under capitalism. Workers don't have a say in company policy and companies are as bad as they can be. The fact that nestle murder more people than Fazer , isn't about that one is more "evil" than the other, it's what they can get away with. Evil is a childish concept.
Seems misleading, as I highly doubt they were charged with "protesting contract with Israel". Is that a misdemeanor?
Also love that Google workers suddenly grew a conscience
It's a trespassing charge from what I could find. Although there are laws against boycotting Israel
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/feb/21/us-supreme-court-arkansas-anti-boycott-israel-law
The anti BDS laws are relevant to companies, not workers. Though it is still hilarious to me that we can't have religious freedom because companies have a first amendment right however they can't exercise that right in regards to Israel.
The GOP is just so transparently making shit up as they go along for their own convenience.
Thats so wild
Yes. All 28 of them. Out of what, 180,000-ish?
Am I being an idiot for thinking that protesting like this, when the union is relatively small is counterproductive? I'd think I'd want to represent the majority of the workers, then protest or outright strike which will halt the cloud operations they want to halt, if that's what the majority of union members vote to do.
Well, it made the national news, so seems like it was somewhat effective.
I'm sure they'd love to have enough supporters to do a general strike, and those have been proposed and attempted over Gaza. Unfortunately, opposing Israel's genocidal actions is not the mainstream view... especially being opposed enough to participate in activism. With only a handful of people, these sit-ins were able to disrupt the company and make news.
So You think they shouldn't have done anything, because the union is not big enough? Moral is not an option with a small union? Am I getting this right?
I think it depends on the goal. If I'm trying to stop a corporation from doing something profitable a large union, one that contains most corpo workers, including the ones producing this profit, can strike, halting the production that generates this profit. The union could do this for a moral reason. If the union however contains for the sake of argument 1% of the workers and none of the ones doing the work in question, then staging a protest can't force a stop to the morally reprehensible production. It also makes this 1% an easy target to get rid of thus making it harder to organize more workers needed to stop production. So if I wanted to gain this power over the corpo, I would probably protest outside of union capacity.
E: They're already gone..
Yeah, american employee protection sucks ... Where I live you could easily fight being fired for this. So maybe thats where our different stances come from.
If there is a criminal charge or conviction I think you would be fired in most countries.
This is probably why they called the cops, so they can fire them for an obvious cause and not have to deal with any questions.
What would be the crime here? Am I missing something? Protesting is not (or shouldn't be) against the law, as long as you don't behave illegally)
Reports seems to indicate that they were arrested for trespassing.
Ah that, yeah they were in the CEOs office. That might be misdemeanor, but is it a felony? Pretty sure you couldn't be fired for this here.
Doesn't matter, even if it was just two workers it's still protected concerted activity which is illegal to retaliate against.
Trespassing is not a protected form of protest. Wtf are you talking about?
Indeed not. I was commenting on the scale of protestors, not trespass.
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