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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 81 points 5 months ago

Westoid economists were screaming about how China's real estate market is overheated and will crash, and now that the CPC has done something about it, they're screaming about how the real estate market isn't growing as fast so China is doomed.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 5 months ago

I think at this point they're already screeching about "overproduction".

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 65 points 5 months ago

It is not just "overproduction". It is "overproduction" with a "stagnating economy" during an "economic downturn". Only China is capable of collapsing in multiple contradictory ways at the same time like this.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 5 months ago

Reminds me of this, as anti-communist rhetoric often does:

“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.” ― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 5 months ago
[-] ParentiBot@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 5 months ago

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In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.

-- Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds

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[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 5 months ago

This is also why they think One Child was a failure: a Western economy that size would need 1.8 billion talking heads by 2040 just to keep the spin going. CNBC headquarters alone would be the size of Manitoba and on the verge of gravitational collapse due to the flesh packed within.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 47 points 5 months ago

Population decrease is only a problem in a world where profits must go up forever. China is investing heavily in industrial robotics and is not ideologically constrained from socializing the output of those robots like the US is.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

And you can see how the fascist US handles a dwindling population: here, here, and here.

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

"We have a shortage of workers willing to work for unlivable wages right now at this moment. The solution to this is to have more babies."

Yes, this is sensible and logical, and is indicative of a good understanding of worker productivity levels for the infant and pregnant demographics.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

No actually that's actually part of the stimulus, it will create lots of jobs at the factory that makes smaller-than-usual handles for industrial equipment.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

shit i'd rather have antinatalists around

[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago

US logic: Population line can't go down if you keep stealing talent from all over the world, and exploiting immigrants with promises of a "better life"

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 57 points 5 months ago

xigma-male I'm sorry but the line will go up.

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 65 points 5 months ago

the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

[-] Jabril@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 months ago

Surprised to see so many upvotes and no one correct this to Marxist-Leninist uprising since Maoism was barely a thing at that point of history, and the CPC at no point as ever advocated anything called Maoism.

[-] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 5 months ago

It's a copypasta

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 48 points 5 months ago

No, the west tells us their economy is collapsing because they can’t have a communist nation look good. So they lie.

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago

Investing in production instead of property portfolios like FOOLS

[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 months ago

Imagine having a productive economy, real CHADS like the US or THE FREE WEST have real strong economies predicated on ~~scamming/ponzi-ing the other through markets~~ finance and the third sector, and no such outdated economical bases like industry or infrastructure

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Our glorious economy has advanced beyond the need for physical embodiment, and now exists in an airy frictionless realm of pure thought.

[-] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 42 points 5 months ago

Stupid Chinese don't know that if you increase rent every year, GDP will go up.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 5 months ago

so primitive 🤣

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You, a fool, a peasant: Gathers wood and stone from his surroundings to build a tower (it is not efficient or competitivestuff)

Me, a genius: builds some of a tower, then starts taking material from the bottom and putting it on the top (fast, disruptive, I will achieve self-actualization in no timestuff)

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 months ago

Capitalists interpret the health of an economy by how much CSAM they can buy within it.

[-] juchebot88@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 5 months ago

They also can't comprehend an economy based on actual production, not magic numbers on a computer screen.

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