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submitted 8 months ago by juicy@lemmy.today to c/world@lemmy.world

Approval requires at least nine votes in favour, with no vetoes. The UNSC’s five permanent members – the US, Russia, China, France and Britain – hold vetoes.

But the US has indicated that its opposition to Palestinian member status in the UN, in the absence of a broader deal with Israel, stays intact.

“Our position has not changed,” Robert Wood, US deputy ambassador to the UN, said last week.

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[-] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Who exactly would represent Palestine? Hamas? Because that's an easy "hell no".

Although this point should be extremely obvious, I'm going to qualify it because I know what the knee jerk reaction will be.

Hamas is awful. The Palestinian people aren't. The people deserve peace and representation.

Support for Hamas from Palestinians is a natural byproduct of decades of repression at the hands of Isreal, and I do not blame them for the resentment that lead to support extremists enough for Hamas to take control. Like I said, it's a pretty natural result of their treatment.

But Hamas itself is bad, and as the controlling faction, should negate membership to the UN.

[-] joostjakob@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I get the reasoning, but not a single country has ever been kicked out of the UN for having crazy/terrorist/genocidal leaders. So why should having a palatable government be a criterium to join? And anyway, I thought Hamas only controls Gaza. The West Bank is larger, and has a slightly larger population, and it is controlled by Fatah (AFAIK). So the seat would likely end up under Fatah control, no?

[-] yogurt@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Fatah doesn't control the West Bank because it's more popular there, the IDF just couldn't help them seize power in Gaza when they lost the election in 2006. If anything Hamas is a little bit more popular in the West Bank.

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The US government is loyal to Israel before its own citizens.

Heck, we literally suffered 9/11 because of Israel and we still show unwavering support.

Fuck Zionists. Fuck Nazisrael.

[-] _tezz@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Can you link me some reading material about this?

we literally suffered 9/11 because of Israel

I've never once heard Israel come up in the story of 9/11

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure! Here is Osama Bin Laden's letter "To the American People."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdf

"As for us, our Iraq was invaded in response to pressure from capitalists with greed for black gold, and you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities."

"They threw hundreds of thousands of soldiers against us and have formed an alliance with the Israelis to oppress us and occupy our land; that was the reason for our response on the eleventh."

It's sad how in 2024, Americans still don't know about this. He made it very clear with no room for ambiguity.

It went viral on tiktok awhile ago, then they started censoring anyone who shared it. I'm not saying jews control the media, but it's clear that those who oppose Zionism are faced with censorship and ostracization, especially in the business-world.

The facts just don't lie, unfortunately.

[-] edwardthefma99@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Pointing out a fact not all Jews are Zionists they don't control anything if they did we all would allredy be prepared for the journey to the promised land Jews and gentile

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

Absolutely. We've all heard the "jews control the media" rhetoric from 4chan.

I'm pointing out that there is definitely some truth to Zionists controlling the media, as we see everyday with people losing jobs and facing censorship for support of Palestine.

I think it's in the best interests of Jews to distance themselves from Zionists as much as possible.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

If Zionists controlled the media, there wouldn't be coverage of the atrocities in Palestine on western TV news every night. I think that idea is a bit exaggerated.

[-] sepulcher@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

The media is not one entity.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

All in one breath, too.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca -1 points 8 months ago

Yes, Bin Ladin hated Jews and the state of Israel.

Jews or Israel are not responsible for his actions.

To everybody reading this who may consider agreeing, may I just ask how large of a leap it is to go from being explicitly pro-terrorist to becoming a terrorist? In my mind, it's maybe not a leap.

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