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[-] CapgrasDelusion@kbin.social 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as I can tell, this prolifically posting account has literally never posted an article that wasn't negative on Ukraine, and posts about 90% negative on the West in general. For whatever that's worth.

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago

And half the comments in this thread are from queermunist, who's all for the "just let Russia have what it wants and everything will be great" side.

The flood of Rexiters did a lot to smother the tankie presence on the Lemmyverse, but it's clearly still a strong undercurrent.

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[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

I guess Washington Post is Russian propaganda now...

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[-] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They're 10% positive on the West? Thank you for this valuable information comrade. We'll be sending them back to the reeducation center for ideological training purposes.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Posting "90% negative on the West in general" is still softballing it.

But yeah... still lots of pro-Russian propaganda flowing around here.

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[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately Russia's strategy of mining the front so heavily it won't be safe for a hundred years is proving pretty effect at slowing the Ukrainian advance. I hope the rest of the world never lets up on the sanctions. Russia is a fucked backwater that loves war crimes. They need to be punished.

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[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 39 points 1 year ago

Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16. They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.

[-] ToastyWaffles@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

That's just not true. Ukraine has not even gotten through the first defense line anywhere along the front. Where are you referring to with them knocking on the second line?

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[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

And another important thing to bear in mind is that the start of the advance is the hardest part of the advance. Russia has built up a thick crust of defensive lines. At some point the advance penetrates that crust, and then the gooey center goes much more quickly.

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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What invasion of the nazis in 1945 are you talking about?

You mean Allied advances into Germany?

Also can't deny that denys guy is far from an impartial source lol

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And what is wrong with Ukraine not just bashing its head into russian defenses and instead go for a slow-and-steady approach? They still have reserves to spare, word is Ukraine is rotating its troops on the front regularly. So as long as Ukraine can keep up the pressure and russia not being able to stop their slow advance, they will be successful eventually. Would another Kharkiv thrunder-run be preferable? Surely.
But russia is prepared this time. And instead of being all doom-and-gloom, the West could step up its commitment to see Ukraine win. Apart from artillery shell production, weapon manufacturers still see no increase in weapons procurement. It's time for the West to let actions follow its words on support of Ukraine. As long as their words ring hollow, Putin only has to wait and eventually outpace dwindling western support.

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[-] diffuselight@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Ukraine is fighting for their existence, russia is fighting for the oligarchs. Ukraine will prevail.

[-] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Least Marvel brained liberal.

[-] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To also be absolutely clear, no Ukraine is not fighting for its existence. Russia's interest in territorial gain extends only to the areas of majority Russian-speaking, ethnically Russian populations.

Such as may be discerned from any one of these maps here

Yanukovych was the president illegally deposed in a coup in 2014, with the area voting >80% for him matching almost exactly the territory still held by separatists at the start of 2022

This one's really interesting: Zelensky ran on a platform of peace in the Donbass and reversing the ban on Russian as an official language, which he immediately reneged on after becoming president

Land currently held by Russia. If they try to take any more, it will most likely be towards Odessa, both to cut off Ukraine from the sea and because it's a firmly Russian-speaking area.


This is for the very simple reason that it's literally not possible, in the modern world, to hold territory in which the native population does not want you to remain. Trying to do so will only result in a very long, very costly anti-insurgency campaign and your eventual defeat. This is exactly what NATO was hoping for when they baited Russia into attacking, that they would try to occupy and hold the whole of Ukraine. Instead, Russia only bit off as much as it could chew and is now allowing the Ukrainians to waste all their soldiers and equipment by attacking into impenetrable fortifications. When that's done, they'll counter-counterattack, grab some more Russian speaking land, and then let the limping Kiev rump state collapse under neoliberal austerity shock doctrine privatization administered by their 'allies' in the West. Ukraine could have avoided all this by upholding either of the two Minsk agreements that were painstakingly worked out by diplomats from both sides, but unfortunately the hand of their masters in Washington was too strong.

[-] amplifier@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

You're deluding yourself trying to explain russian millitary failure as some sort of advanced move. Remember the intense fighting at Hostomel airport? The huge column stuck on the road to Kyiv? They totaly thought Ukraine leadership would flee and they'd be able to take the capital.

russian speaking land

what makes you think russian speaking people support Putin's regime? They don't. That's like assuming Zelenskyi supports Putin's regime because he's a native russian speaker.

[-] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

They support Russia because the Kiev regime has been trying to genocide them for the last nine years! After the coup against the president that the Russian speaking areas voted for the new coup government immediately banned Russian as an official language. They made it illegal to teach it in schools! They attacked and persecuted people across the Russian speaking area, especially the Donbass. For instance in Mariupol, Kiev sent the overtly fascist Azov battalion to attack and break up a march in celebration of the 69th anniversary of the Soviet victory in WW2, using APCs and live ammunition. Now why would they attack on Victory Day, the day of symbolic victory over the Nazis? The officers of the Mariupol police station refused to go out and beat up marchers, so they were quietly murdered. Here are the events depicted even by western empire media, back before they'd had the 'Slava Ukraini' chip installed.

As for the early days of the war, here I go posting it again:
I assume you don't consider the Marine Corps Gazette to be Russian propaganda.

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Ukraine appears to be running out of options in a counteroffensive that officials originally framed as Kyiv’s crucial operation to retake significant territory from occupying Russian forces this year.

Meanwhile, a war weary Ukrainian public is eager for leaders in Kyiv to secure victory and in Washington, calls to cut back on aid to Ukraine are expected to be amplified in the run up to the 2024 U.S. presidential election.

“The question here is which of the two sides is going to be worn out sooner,” said Franz-Stefan Gady, a senior fellow with the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Center for a New American Security, who visited Ukraine in July.

Sak, the adviser to the defense minister, said the slow progress clearing extensive mine fields along the front is preventing Kyiv from engaging the majority of its Western-trained reserve forces.

Ukrainian forces have retaken roughly 81 square miles of occupied territory since the counteroffensive began in June, with the greatest gains occurring near Bakhmut in the east and in the Zaporizhzhia region south of Orikhiv.

The Biden administration has “very successfully” managed risk of a direct conflict with Russia by gradually providing Kyiv with more advanced weapons systems and longer-range munitions, said Kelly Grieco, who researches air power operations as a senior fellow at the Stimson Center, a D.C.-based policy group.


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