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[-] erik_houdini@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 4 months ago

Got a non RT source, not that I doubt this, but libs will immediately go "RT is state backed" or whatever.

[-] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It doesn't matter. The source of the claims is the Russian government. That automatically discredits it in the minds of liberals whether it's Russian media, Chinese, Turkish, or French.

Especially since the entire west has been going suspiciously hard from day one on "this was ISIS-K, no one else, Ukraine is not involved" being repeatedly parroted with the subtext that any suggestion otherwise is Russian propaganda and excusing escalation towards Ukraine. Day two they were already accusing Putin of using the attack to justify an increased response to Ukraine and calling it crazy.

It's unfalsifiable. If the Russians say it then they're liars because they're Russians and evil Putin is a dictator who maybe did it himself to get at Ukraine or something for some reason. If a western source says it they're Russian agents, been duped by Russia, are doing Russia's dirty work. There is no win here if you're trapped in the liberal paradigm of the aggressor Russians and Putin as a modern Hitler.

The sources for the investigation into the money are not going to be something open source intelligence can discern, you're not going to likely have reporters able to get access to trace money the way a government intelligence agency can so by its nature it's what government do you trust.

All you can do is point to people with ISIS patches pictured in Ukraine. Can point to old stories about Turkey opening a corridor for fighters (including ISIS but not usually mentioned) to go from Syria to Ukraine to fight Russians. Can point to the inconsistencies in this attack's methods of operation and past ISIS and islamic extremist tendencies and point to the Ukrainian regime's history of targeting civilians in drone attacks even deep in Russia. All things liberals will brush aside and deny.

[-] erik_houdini@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 4 months ago

Big facts tbh

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 4 months ago

For an example of that, look at the lib comment below!

[-] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 4 months ago

Some more interesting stuff:

"West protests too much about Kiev’s possible role in Moscow terror attack – Lavrov" https://www.rt.com/russia/595090-west-suspiciously-denying-ukraine-crocus/

The intensity of their insistence on Ukraine’s innocence is unusual, the Russian foreign minister has said

“The West is actively trying to convince everyone that this is the work of ISIS and there is no longer any need to suspect anyone, especially Ukraine,” Lavrov told Izvestiya in a video interview published on Friday. “They keep insisting that Kiev is not to blame, to the point where it’s becoming obsessive.”

“We have repeatedly said that we do not make any final conclusions until the investigation is completed. The investigation is still working on the facts, new circumstances are being revealed, but we simply do not have the right to exclude obvious possibilities,” the foreign minister said.

Meanwhile, Lavrov said, the West is “suspiciously active” in trying to persuade everyone that Ukraine had nothing to do with the attack.

[-] Jennie@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 4 months ago

Unsurprising unfortunately

[-] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 4 months ago

How is it that they seem to be acting in such a way that Russia not only has nukes but the largest stockpile in the world.

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