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submitted 1 year ago by Showroom7561@lemmy.ca to c/bicycles@lemmy.ca

It was a shower thought for me this morning, after having seen all these record temperatures being broken around the world.

But, if it gets too hot to cycle, then people won't. And if they aren't cycling, they may start driving again, which compounds climate change even further.

Does this worry anyone else?

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[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

You probably won't get most people to switch to bikes by selling them on fighting climate change anyway. You get them to switch to bikes by making it more convenient to bike than to car. This requires a ratchet of policy that deemphasizes car infrastructure and invests in bike infra instead. That investment can include climate change accomodations like adding trees or artificial shading to bike paths/lanes or more aid stations with water/misters/cooling.

[-] AClassyGentleman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yep, plus the whole "socioeconomic system that requires ever-increasing profits and nonstop production for the sake of production" means industries are going to continue to put out enough pollution (since it's more profitable than sustainable production) to render individual decisions to switch from cars to bikes effectively meaningless.

And to be clear this isn't meant to be a doomer-post. Just saying we've gotta fix this shit from root cause, not rely on individualistic measures.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Fully agreed. Part of the fixing the systemic problem includes changing individual behaviors, but that can still only be done with altering systemic structures.

"Individual responsibility" is a lie made up by the wealthy to justify their increasing theft.

[-] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I supply my 70 seat BBQ joint with bike & cart. I only get meats & beer delivered (kegs...ya'know). Summer is hot, winter is cold. I have excellent rain gear I break out 4-5 times a year (former Seattle native caught without one time too many)

It's entirely possible for a lot of businesses to switch to a better solution.

[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I bought an ebike a couple of years ago and find that while it may have a somewhat higher carbon footprint, things like heat and air quality have been less of an issue and I commute most days on it now. This is not just because you can switch to an all-electric ride and enjoy the breeze without the workout. In my experience, it also encourages you to seek out parks and trails which may be hillier or add a bit of distance, but are often cooler due to more shade, proximity to water, and less asphalt everywhere.

There are some steps you can take to stay cool on any bike though. There are all sorts of neck and wrist coolers on the market, but even tying a wet towel around your neck can make a huge difference. I am prone to heat exhaustion and this has saved me even when just walking around. But on a bike where you have a breeze to boost the cooling effect of having something wet on your body, it works really well.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Great points! I also ride e-scooters, so I understand how there's a cooling effect of not having to pedal throughout the entire ride (or with minimal effort).

[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah there are so many options now, and it's encouraging to see people even in the car-centric suburbia where I live starting to ride ebikes, escooters, etc.

I prefer this vision of the future over one in which everybody just switches to electric cars. If nothing else, I fear this will trigger a global battery shortage. But I made a calculation based on the specs of my ebike battery. A single Tesla could power around 150 ebikes!

[-] mythic_tartan@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It’s the same downward spiral as A/C usage. Usage will increase with hot weather or bad air quality, which puts higher demands on power. 😞

[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

They also throw a lot of hot air onto the street. I was recently reading about radiative cooling materials which could be used either passively on their own or together with A/C to improve the latter's efficiency and remove heat build-up from urban areas.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

At least AC need and solar output generally scale together

[-] blackstampede@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

That vast majority of emissions aren't from individual commutes to work or the store, but from industrial processes and transportation. Increasing heat will lead people to stay inside in general, which will raise electric demands, leading to more emissions, though.

I could be wrong about the commute spiral, I don't have any hard numbers, it's just a guess.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

The effect of switching from cars to bike is significant. .

But the best example we have of this is how cities with terrible smog suddenly cleared up during the pandemic, when there were fewer cars on the road and people got out to bike in record numbers.

But, I do agree that being forced to stay indoors would have indirect side effects on the environment.

It'll be interesting to see how, or even if, humans will solve this problem.

[-] blackstampede@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, yeah. I was mainly just thinking about global climate change, but I could see it having a large impact on local air quality.

I'm fairly pessimistic about the long term odds of beating climate change.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

global climate change

Yeah, this one takes far more time to solve, but as individuals, we can still have some sway!

A vegan cyclist, for example, who doesn't fly or spend time on a cruise ship can hit several major contributors to greenhouse gases with little effort. If they use green energy, that's another major industry down. How they decide to shop can tackle a few more.

Who they vote for can also impact those areas that they have no direct influence over (i.e. certain manufacturing industries of raw materials).

This is all very easy to do on an individual basis, and don't affect one's quality of life, but multiply that by a million or a billion people and we WILL see a positive change.

The hard part is convincing someone to make easy changes to their life. 😩

[-] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

A few cars on the road isn't going to make a significant difference. The problem is the massive factories and industry churning out more greenhouse gases than we ever could with our measly automobiles.

[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Individually, not a significant difference, but when we're talking about the potential for millions of cyclists to avoid riding, the impact would be felt.

But yeah, large factories also need to calm the hell down if we are to stand any chance of surviving the next 50 years of climate change.

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Take a couple cargo ships of the seas, that would offset a lot of cars.

[-] Gatsby@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you know its illegal to say that one strong hit with a 20ft speedboat at full throttle into the hull of a cargo ship in the section the two sheets of metal are welded on the broadside of the ship where the rivets are the weakest would take the ship down for repairs for months if not sinking it outright?

Totally, recklessly wildly illegal.

Now, it was okay for me to say it now because I was warning you not to say it. I wasn't saying it myself.

What IS legal to say is that we have a group that meets under the Brooklyn bridge 23:00 on Sundays and the password is sic semper tyrannis.

Its not a fitting sentence because it has nothing to do with the previous statement, but it is technically legal!

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

What fucking boat is riveted these days? And what the fuck are you on about?

[-] loputozirak@lemmy.cat 0 points 1 year ago

nope as it's not too hot to cycle in general, maybe during some hours at some specific days of summer but the overall year is completely nice

yeah, I'm telling you from barcelona and here there's no snow and ice on the roads/trails I use to cycle it's true but there's much more equipment and tires to cycle on winter conditions, so you can adapt your bike to winter, than the 0 equipment and components to cycle on hot, summer, conditions

winter wins, always

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