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U.S. plans to raise tariffs against Canadian softwood lumber producers (www.theglobeandmail.com)
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The U.S. Department of Commerce plans to raise tariffs levied against Canadian softwood lumber producers, marking the latest salvo in the long-running trade dispute.

Based on the Commerce Department’s preliminary assessment, the combined countervailing and anti-dumping duty rates will be 13.86 per cent for most Canadian producers, compared with 8.05 per cent currently.

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[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

This seems to come up with some regularity.

The U.S. says the measures are necessary to protect its lumber industry, because Canadian forests are mostly on public land, where buyers pay “stumpage fees” to provincial governments for the right to log.

Could someone explain the situation in the States? Was there some big land grab by private interests, or is there still plenty of public land but it's all either logged out or protected at this point? Or some other complication?

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This shit has been going on since the 80s. It's mostly bullshit instigated by US lumber companies. Available softwood lumber in the US is mainly on privately owned land, and the owners of that land want the price of lumber to be as high as possible so they can make more money. The softwood lumber companies in the US are effectively acting as an oligopoly, and they lobby US politicians for legislation in their interests.

Softwood lumber in Canada is mainly on public land, called "crown land" here in Canada. A lumber oligopoly isn't possible in Canada because the government would never sell all of that land to a handful of lumber companies. Instead lumber producers in Canada are charged a fee for the logs they cut, that fee is set by the Canadian government, and it is less per log than what US lumber producers want to charge.

Instead of competing on price, US lumber companies lobby congress to impose softwood lumber tariffs for the umpteenth time. When the US lumber companies don't need to compete with Canadian lumber, they can jack up their prices. When they do that the only people who benefit are the US lumber companies and the politicians they've lobbied. Americans pay more for lumber, Canadian lumber companies and their workers suffer.

[-] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

Just gonna add a bit of info to your excellent explanation ...

The reason Canadian lumber is preferred as a building material is we have shorter growing seasons, which means the growth rings are tighter so the lumber doesn't warp as much as a lot of US lumber does.

[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

What an odd coincidence... I've been following this boat-building channel on Youtube for a couple years, and they talked about wood grain in the episode posted just today. Here's a link to the relevant timestamp in the video. I'm not a woodworking expert by any means, but if the boat people say tighter grain is better I'ma believe 'em.

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[-] Factualfiction@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Thanks for the explanation

[-] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

What an endless saga. I guess they'll need to update the wiki again as this latest chapter unfolds. Thanks for the reply.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Do you have issues like we do in Australia where they just cut down crown land and destroy ancient ecosystems all so they can reap profit while fucking over our land?

[-] Magrath@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Well the stumpage fees are meant to fund the replanting and there are professionals who decide where and how to cut the lumber to reduce the harm to the eco system, but usually what is planted in place is a monoculture of straight growing coniferous trees that also burn easily. So you don't have the same eco system and it has a good chance to burn down before maturity.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The U.S. Department of Commerce plans to raise tariffs levied against Canadian softwood lumber producers, marking the latest salvo in the long-running trade dispute.

The Commerce Department will make further adjustments by August to set final rates in its fifth administrative review, which is based on lumber markets in 2022.

The U.S. lumber lobby has long argued that Canadian producers receive unfair provincial softwood subsidies and dump product south of the border at below market value.

The U.S. says the measures are necessary to protect its lumber industry, because Canadian forests are mostly on public land, where buyers pay “stumpage fees” to provincial governments for the right to log.

The Canadian government is challenging the lumber tariffs in a process under the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement that allows Canada and the U.S. to set up trade panels to settle disputes.

Cash prices – what sawmills charge wholesalers – were at US$442 last week for 1,000 board feet of two-by-fours made from Western spruce, pine and fir, according to Madison’s Lumber Reporter, a Vancouver-based industry newsletter.

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