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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/11483626

Here's the detailed report from Mozilla Research: Over the Edge: How Microsoft’s Design Tactics Compromise Free Browser Choice (PDF, 5MB, 74 pages)

And the announcement post from Mozilla Research referenced in the The Register's article is here:

Over the Edge: The Use of Design Tactics to Undermine Browser Choice

In order to be able to choose their own browser, people must be free to download it, easily set it to default and to continue using it – all without interference from the operating system. Windows users do not currently enjoy this freedom of choice.

To investigate Microsoft’s tactics and the impact on consumers, Mozilla commissioned Harry Brignull and Cennydd Bowles, independent researchers and experts in harmful design. Today, the researchers have published a report detailing how Microsoft prevents effective browser choice on Windows. In the report, they document how Microsoft places its own browser — Edge — at the center of its operating system and weaponizes Windows’ user interface design to undermine people selecting rival browsers.

In some cases, the use of harmful design tactics is contrary to Microsoft’s own design guidelines. In many cases, it can lead to (and exacerbate) consumer harm and undermine competition from rival browsers. This kind of behavior is particularly concerning for an independent browser like Firefox, which is reliant on the operating systems provided by companies who are also rival browser vendors.

Self-preferencing from operating system/browser providers is an area Mozilla has previously highlighted, for example, in the Five Walled Gardens report. Recently, details of many issues Mozilla experiences competing on major operating systems were published on the Platform Tilt dashboard.

Now, with the implementation of the Digital Markets Act in the European Union marking the start of a wave of global competition regulation, we hoped that the barriers to browser competition would be dismantled. However, even where there is movement in the right direction, improvements have been incomplete and are grudgingly offered only in markets where regulators have forced platform owners to make changes to respect browser choice. For example, Apple’s decision to allow alternative browser engines is only effective in the EU.

Similarly, Microsoft recently pledged to stop some of the actions it takes to force Edge on users who have selected other browsers. Unfortunately, these changes only address a small number of the tactics outlined in this report. And, to make matters worse, they will only be deployed to users in the EEA.

Windows users everywhere, especially in the rest of the world, continue to have their choices inhibited, overridden and undermined by Microsoft’s use of harmful design. Regulatory action around the world is needed to restore browser choice and competition across all of the major platforms.

Download the full report (PDF, 5MB, 74 pages)

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[-] brothershamus@kbin.social 169 points 6 months ago

Member that time when Microsoft got dragged in federal court for ten years before they eventually decided Microsoft was a monopoly for forcing their browser on everyone and then sweet fuck all happened to them for it?

Well the judiciary sure has changed - now they're way more computer savvy and they . . . checks earpice . . . I'm sorry, that should be: they're just as fucking clueless as they were thirty years ago if not even more so. We're screwed, goodnight.

[-] snownyte@kbin.social 58 points 6 months ago

The point where we learned how useless the judiciary is, is when they couldn't even pin down Zuckerberg. The media made it all sound like "Ohhhh, Mark is getting grilled now! he's going to face time and penalties!"

And...nothing came of it. Because the judiciary is too dumb to even understand Facebook.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 months ago

it's some anomaly that one of the biggest companies in the workd does advertising and not something tangible

[-] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

The EU forced Microsoft to offer a browser picker dialog. I've been wondering where that went and according to Wikipedia that judgement that compelled Microsoft to make the browser picker has expired. And thus... Microsoft dropped it immediately.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

either clueless of paid for

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 99 points 6 months ago

Dear God, not a slamming. Anything but that. Please don't. Please.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Just for once I want to see a journalist run up and suplex some tech CEO or whoever. Just once.

Bam. "Slammed." Accurate headline.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Suddenly I'm reminded of an incident in 1999...

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[-] Igloojoe@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

For me, slamming means you take your slammer down on their stack of pogs.

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[-] anonionfinelyminced@kbin.social 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Microsoft IN SHAMBLES after being SLAMMED by Internet Article.

  • thumbnail of the MS logo with a red curvy arrow pointing to it and a stock photo of a kid crying
[-] ryan@the.coolest.zone 13 points 6 months ago

you WON'T BELIEVE what MOZILLA said about MICROSOFT 🚨 (watch to the end)

[-] kimjongunderdog@kbin.social 15 points 6 months ago

It's such a forceful word that's lost all meaning in this day and age. Every time I see the word 'slam' in a headline I know literally nothing has been done about the problem.

Like, thanks Mozilla. You pointed a finger. What now?

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

kimjongunderdog claps back at at media by grilling them over their use of 'slammed'

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[-] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 97 points 6 months ago

MSN.com refuses to allow reader mode. Microsoft answers captures your fucking back button with a redirect loop, like it's fucking 2000 again. Fuck microsoft.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 30 points 6 months ago

I feel like that's solvable at the browser level.

Like if I get redirected without clicking anything, pressing back should take you back to where you last clicked.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago

Yes exactly, for both redirect loops and those dumb infinitely scrolling article pages where you have to back through each article you scrolled down to. It's like a punishment for being interested in the next article the site has. You scroll up to reverse scrolling down, not hit the back button.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Damn I didn’t even know this. Just usually got fed up and closed the tab

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

They don't even work properly half the time and you have to click twice for some of the articles. Assuming that wasn't by design because shitty web dev managers think you can force people to stay on their site that way.

[-] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 5 points 6 months ago

I assumed it had been solved since it's been two decades since I last remember seeing it.

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[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago
[-] recapitated@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Phew thank goodness they weren't blasted.

[-] HopingForBetter@kbin.social 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Newer windows machines won't even let you install non-microsoft-store programs without checking a one-time-no-way-back-box of liability. So much for being an end-user...
Edit: And without a tertiary google search, the dialogue window language is designed to make users think "other" programs are not compatible.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 6 months ago

Straight up due to Microsoft's methods lately I've been shifting everything I can to Linux

My goal is by the time support is dropped for Windows 10 to have seamlessly switched to Linux (I'm feeling Linux Mint TBH)

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

I switched to Linux years ago, and have never looked back. Every computer in my house except one (my mandatory work laptop) runs some flavor of Linux, and my kids have never been forced to use Windows at all. And if I have my way, they never will.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's the spirit

Get them used to FOSS now so that they never have to switch to it later

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago

Add to that - Windows 11 requires UEFI boot... Which is heading in the direction of locking the OS to the hardware, for "security".

Nevermind UEFI has a pre-boot execution capability, "for security" (supposedly to enable location/anti-theft), that's already been shown to permit a system being hacked.

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[-] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

's mode' is the 'no way back' wall you can disable.. stupidly requiring a microsoft account to do--in order to install stuff on your pc without needing a damn microsoft account in the first place. 's mode' is becoming more common on higher-end hardware now, too, not just the cheap atom-based crap with emmc and 4gb ram. i've seen it on i5 laptops, ffs.

the other is a setting, which is just a scary 'warning' about installing programs from outside the garden, that you can change.

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago

Are the patterns really dark, when installing windows it HOUNDS me to switch to Edge at every turn, or to sign into MS incessantly, for "security reasons"? Lol.

No, I'm sure there are plenty of dark patterns too, but holy cow, Win10 setup has driven me, more than any other version, to build my own windows automated installer setup (using MS tools).

At least the tools are a lot better than they used to be.

I have a spreadsheet of hundreds of changes a new system needs when first installed.

I really appreciate the devs of tools like Winaero Tweaker, Bulk Crap Uninstaller, O&O Shutup, and PrivacyZilla.

That said, get yourself a copy of Tiny10, available on archive.org.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, you type "chrome" into Edge, and it's like YOU DON'T NEED THAT!

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[-] Fridgeratr@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago
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[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 6 months ago

I would very like to learn this slam for dark pattern use martial technique.

When I see dark patterns, I can't help but think the designer is antagonistic and is not interested in engaging me but manipulating me. It puts into question the good faith of the whole website / application / web-browser / operating system.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago

I feel insulted every time Windows has some sort of pop-up or notification that is obviously manipulative, like making it appear that I HAVE to make Edge my default browser and putting ads for Edge and other Microsoft products on the lock screen disguised as 'fun facts'. The people making these decisions don't respect the autonomy of people, they want to force us into habits that benefit Microsoft to the detriment of the user.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I got an ad for finding new jobs on LinkedIn on a work computer lock screen

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[-] pastaPersona@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

If only Microsoft relied on making edge a worthy competitor and focused on the UI/UX instead of these dumb head games.

Back when edge wasn’t just a chromium skin it was a neat idea, EdgeHTML was different at the very least and more options are always good compared to chrome monopoly bs. But at this point it’s just Microsoft branded chrome with a (kinda shitty) GPT agent baked in.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

it's not just windows, and not just edge. i just installed firefox mobile on a guy's android phone because even on msn.com (which he reads for 'news' daily. it's about his only online activity) via chrome they hide the annoying 'continue reading' button and have an even more annoying 'continue reading in the app' one in its place. added a firefox link directly to that page on his home screen. he's a happy camper now. the less-annoying one is back and he (for the time being, anyway) is no longer pressured into installing yet another app-that-just-shows-a-fucking-web-page app. also having a ublock-origin enabled browser now is just the icing on the cake.

[-] soda3x@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Today I was playing a JRPG on Game Pass Ultimate on my phone and a banner like ad appeared advertising a new game over the subtitles

IM A PAYING CUSTOMER FFS MICRO$HIT

[-] aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago
[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Mozilla on Thursday accused Microsoft of forcing its Edge browser down the throats of Windows users through "dark patterns" – design elements geared to push people towards certain decisions.

"Windows users everywhere, especially in the rest of the world, continue to have their choices inhibited, overridden and undermined by Microsoft's use of harmful design," Mozilla wrote in a post about its report.

The salient regulatory action here is Europe's Digital Markets Act (DMA), a set of rules intended to promote fair competition across the bloc.

Mozilla cites the implementation of the DMA – enforcement is set to begin in March – as a reason to hope that the barriers to browser competition will come down.

"With this message Microsoft is taking advantage of the trust gained by their custodial role as OS provider and using it to misdirect users, implying that compliance is necessary for security reasons," the report alleges.

In our view, these designs coerce, manipulate, or deceive users and are therefore unjustifiable, with the potential to cause a variety of consumer, society, and market harms.


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