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Middle East crisis live: ICJ ruling on case alleging genocide by Israel in Gaza and call for it to stop military action (www.theguardian.com)

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Live coverage thread of the International Court of Justice and the case of South Africa vs. Israel.

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[-] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago

They didn't really call for it to stop military action though. They called for it to stop doing things intended to be genocide; I predict that Israel will just disagree that it intends genocide, and keep on doing it.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

Ruling that the Palestinians are a protected class under the Genocide conventions is pretty big though...

From the live thread:

"7m ago 07.43 EST International Court of Justice orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.

She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention.

Israel must also take immediate measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza."

and:

"14m ago 07.37 EST ICJ recognises right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide Judge Donoghue, speaking now at the ICJ, said at least some rights sought by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel’s war in Gaza are plausible. She said: “A link exists between the rights claimed by South Africa that the court has found plausible and at least some of the provisional measures requested.”

With the reading still ongoing, the court said it recognises the right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide. Palestinians appear to be a protected group under the genocide convention, the court said.

Friday’s ruling at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) does not deal with the core accusation of the case – whether genocide occurred – but will focus on the urgent intervention sought by South Africa."

Also, statements by Israel are pretty fucking damning IMO:

"20m ago 07.33 EST Judge Donoghue is detailing comments made by Israeli officials during the war, including:

Defence minister Yoav Gallant saying he had ordered “complete siege” of Gaza City”, and later said “we will eliminate everything” and that Israel was fighting “human animals”.

President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”."

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’

Was the world up till now thinking that Palestinians are not humans?

Are only Jews protected under the genocide convention?

What the fuck is going on?

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago

So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’

I know you're being sarcastic, but yeah. The situation is so dire that having someone at least come out and say "This is wrong" is a net improvement.

[-] anlumo@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Israel argued that because Jews were affected by a genocide, Israel is therefore unable to commit it themselves.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The tl;dr is:

Palestinians are protected under the genocide conventions.
Israel needs to take steps to ensure genocide is not being committed.
Israel needs to improve humanitarian aid to Gaza.
Come back in a month.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

"You're committing genocide."

"Okay, but did I intend to? :trollface:"

[-] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

"stop committing hate crimes"

"Is it a hate crime if Im enjoying it?"

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 5 months ago

Genocide is literally a claim of intent.

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

So accidental genocide is okay? If you do a war and a genocide happens just...all well shit happens?

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

One cannot commit accidental genocide, genocide requires intent to destroy a protected group to be classified as such. See the legal definitions elsewhere in this thread. Different war crimes might apply to accidental action, but not genocide.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

All genocides are war crimes, but not all war crimes are genocides. ;)

[-] Oliofizodos@feddit.de 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Expected and disappointing statement. This just backs the non-statement of saying Israel should “do what it can” to protect civilians. The simplest way to protect civilians is to order an immediate ceasefire. This will help Biden to continue supporting the genocidal campaign that Israel is conducting on the Palestinians, because nothing he says opposes the ICJ.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

I'd add, I'm not happy with the "yeah, come back in a month" phrasing. Israel could see that as "Oh, so as long as we finish this in a month...?"

[-] Oliofizodos@feddit.de 6 points 5 months ago

Yeah absolutely, since their wording is so vague there’s not really a bar that they would need to meet.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And at least one Israeli official's response is patently offensive:

"12m ago 08.10 EST

Israel’s security minister responds to ICJ ruling by tweeting 'Hague Shmague'

Itamar Ben-Gvir has responded to the ICJ ruling by tweeting: “Hague Shmague”.

The South African government said it welcomed the provisional measures the ICJ had ordered against Israel."

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[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

The International Court of Justice rejects Israel's bid to throw out the genocide case, calls for Israel to take steps to protect Palestinians in Gaza.

The ICJ also ordered Hamas to release the hostages being held in Gaza. There was no call by the court for Israel to end the war. The case will continue.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

I mean, the ICJ is organized and maintained by the UN, so it makes sense that a “strong response” from them effectively amounts to hand-wringing.

[-] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago

Well it certainly isn't what Israel wanted, which was for the ICJ to throw out the case and say "what, the Jews are doing genocide? Don't be silly!"

But they didn't say that which of course means they have an antisemetic bias.

Because of all these brain damaged fuckwits tying their cultural identity to a corrupt government.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Waiting for the inevitable "ICJ is the judicial arm of Hamas!" claims.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Just watched. Thanks for the post.

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