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People keep talking about "Federalizing the National Guard" and now you've got other States pledging their NG to Texas in defiance of the Supreme Court (see image).

So is this what CW2 looks like?

P.S. I'm a Brit

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[-] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 21 points 10 months ago

Certainly would be exciting as an Australian

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Seen from the outside and ignoring all the innocent people suffering, I would love one thing about the USA splitting up, it would be the perfect example of how shitty things can get when people don't realize they live in conservative locations that depend on the goodwill of more progressive locations. Split the USA like on OP's map and just watch as the red part devolves into a third world country.

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[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Wait. The first civil war ended? /s

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[-] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

Fuck Trump and his shit-headed followers forever.

[-] KuroeNekoDemon@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago

History is about to repeat itself so you know what? I'm going to sit here north of the border watching you guys burn

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[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

From what I've heard, the supreme court decision was mostly about the feds having access to the border, and the ability to cut down the razor wire, rather than any specific opposition to the razor wire existing in and of itself. I would wager this whole deal is mostly just a kind of political play, to try and egg biden into doing something stupid, while simultaneously keeping up the appearance that everyone at the head of these states is doing something dangerous, anti-institutional, and counter-cultural, even though they're all kind of inherently unable to do anything along those lines just as a matter of their positions.

Everybody's correct when they say that the political divides in this country are less clear-cut, but I also don't think that the radicalization that we've seen, as a matter of perspective from being in online space, necessarily reflects reality. I think if you look at most people, most people want social security of some kind, and want healthcare of some kind, and want drug legalization of some kind, and want us to stop fighting wars in some form. Those are all kind of generalities, because the specific mechanism by which people want those things achieved differs from person to person. It's very fractured as a matter of course, as a matter of how our political system and society is set up, and the ruling class has taken advantage of this to enact a divide and conquer strategy, where they can selectively promote whatever ideological positions benefit them the most, and cordon everyone off into a relatively small set of solutions over which they have a high amount of control. Rather than, you know, what a good democracy might do, which is come to a compromise solution, that everyone but the most extreme propagandized radicals might be kind of okay with. There is a reason why lots of conservatives like communism, as long as you use the right words. Both parties attempt to be mostly "populist" parties. This is all kind of obvious, right, but people understate the degree to which it's a deliberate thing, and the overstate the degree to which it's been successful, you know, which isn't surprising, because, again, serves the interests of the powerful. People aren't, broadly, morons, people have realized that this is all the case. That's mostly what the "radicalization" that you've seen online has been, people just realizing that they hate these shitass solutions that aren't really compromise solutions. See how everyone is cripplingly disappointed with the democratic party, and also how, likewise, conservatives are consistently disappointed with their own party, as well, and for many of the same reasons, barring the extreme radicals.

Most people are focused on how the internet divides people into radicalized swaths and conspiracy theorists, which is true, but even the mainstream monopolized internet is kind of a good tool for mass mobilization. See the occupy movement and the arab spring for older examples, for more recent examples, maybe the george floyd protests, or the french retirement protests. The only risk of these is kind of that they more easily get co-opted as a result of their visibility, i.e. "defund the police" gets turned into an argument for "fund the police". If you were an asshole, you could cite charlottesville, or jan 6th, for examples of internet mobilization, but those are relatively smaller scales of things, compared to the others, which were more popular, they just got disproportionate media attention relative to their size, and had disproportionate political effects.

I think if we're looking at the true, extreme political radicals, we're seeing them come about as a result of a kind of well-oiled engine. I'm not gonna say that this is an institutional kind of thing, and it's maybe more of a third level effect of active decisions, but it's still something that, nonetheless, has been deliberately constructed. 4chan is funded by a japanese toy company and a hands off japanese internet techbro, and is administrated by some former american military freak who's deliberately organized the site. The more radical offshoots, that use the same source code, tend to be funded by oil money, and political action committees, but through second-level effects, where they fund some small level conservative actor, and then they prop up the space. Which churns out some radical terrorists that are capable of your more fucked up bombings, and shootings, and controlled and coordinated protests. And then you kind of get military people at almost every level of this, in lower numbers, who act to control the space.

I dunno what I mean to extrapolate from all of this, but yeah. There's probably not going to be a civil war.

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[-] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago

This shit needs to stop. As a Texan (by force...) I'd absolutely be joining the feds to fight against Texas.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

I don’t see how the national guard isn’t already federal, it’s the national guard, not the state guard. They get called up just like regular military for wars.

Cut off their money, court martial them, dishonorable discharge, take away their guns and vehicles. These belong to the military, not Texas.

[-] dukk@programming.dev 14 points 10 months ago

National Guard listens to the state by default, as each state has its own National Guard. However, the federal government can intervene at any time and give them new orders.

I guess they’re just choosing not to do anything? IDK.

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[-] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your indepth and insightful analysis. 👍

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[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago

What is curious to me is these are state departments disagreeing, though the previous civil war was fought between federal and state governments with raised armies.

This time I was expecting the police vs. militants. Uncontrolled civil unrest. Portland and Minneapolis but spread across the nation, cranked to eleven.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

We thought we were getting a proper class war and instead we get fascist versus not fascists but they still hate you

[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 10 months ago

Portland and Minneapolis? So like, a protest/campout in one or two square blocks while everyone else goes about their normal business?

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 10 months ago

And the same footage of that one or two blocks being ran for over 6 months on loop

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[-] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 13 points 10 months ago

Weak king, so the local lords smell the opportunity to gain power, tale as old as time.

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[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago

Biden needs to send the army to Texas and arrest Winey Greg.

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

A lotta people's shitty 2nd amendment logic is about to be tested.

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