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[-] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm with Gabe Newell on this one. High piracy rates indicate a service problem.

I can't find very good data on this, but my suspicion is that PC piracy rates are lower than they were a decade ago. I'm betting piracy of movies and TV shows is far, far higher than it was a decade ago. It's pretty easy to see why. If you want a PC game, you can usually (EGS timed exclusives aside) buy it from your digital storefront of choice, or add it to your wishlist and wait for a sale. Once it's in your library it's effectively there to stay. Game doesn't work on your PC, or you don't enjoy it like you thought you would? No problem, you can refund it. Now compare that movies and TV shows. An ever-expanding range of streaming services that all want $15 a month from you, region locking, staggered release dates. Nothing new you want to watch this month? Too bad, your $15 is now our $15 dollars, and we'll take $15 from you next month too. Movie and TV show piracy provides a more valuable and convenient service, so it wins hands down.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago

Steam is just better than piracy. With video they made piracy the attractive option again.

[-] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 year ago

And it always works, unskippable ads for other new releases never pop up, and it doesn’t just disappear when another platform gets the syndication rights for the next quarter.

[-] ReepusVanguard@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

I feel like most people agree with this, most people who really hate piracy have a stick up their ass or really like money. I mean even alot of artists and indie devs are fine with a little piracy as long as they get enough money to make a living.

[-] azuth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why is this news, 99,9% of society says piracy is ok? Has anybody in your life ever reproved you for saying you downloaded a movie, game etc?

[-] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Some people say piracy is theft and I'm just like: 🙄

[-] hydra@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Have you ever been a Minecraft server admin? Have you ever been in a Nintendo fan space? These places really hate pirates

[-] azuth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I mean I was a Nintendo fanboy when I was young. I have a switch now and owned N64, GC, Wii. Me and my RL friends lamented not being able to pirate. Sure there are people online that are anti piracy but I think they are actually a vocal minority.

Them and people profiting from copyright are the remaining percentage.

[-] hydra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I spent a sizable chunk of my childhood playing SNES games on emulators, it is thanks to both piracy and preservation I got to have the experience. I actually respected Nintendo back then and had a Wii with a small stash of retail games. Well, I still have the Wii but it's softmodded and has a 16 GB SD card full of games and homebrew but since Iwata died so did my respect for Nintendo. Imagine paying for P2P multiplayer and near absence of cloud services.

Nowadays I only get devices I can mod and customize by any means official or otherwise. If I wasn't a full time student and I had enough money and time to spend I'd get an OLED Switch to mod and play all sorts of stuff, it could be a nifty tablet to both work and play with.

None of these things above are possible without piracy.

[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Rossman has never not been based

[-] Feweroptions@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Sometimes I find him a bit over the top, but yes, he is always based asf.

[-] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

He's one of those people who have a hard time recognizing the line between "being honest" and "being rude". That's not a disqualification though, we all have our quirks.

[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm okay with him being over the top. If he didn't always put his money where his mouth his, I might feel a bit different but these are issues he's put his entire life and a ton of his income into. He's very much earned his right to be an angry New Yorker in his videos

[-] nottheengineer@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Rossmann is becoming more based by the day.

[-] Evoke3626@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Personal rule has always been I don’t give a fuck about major corps profits.

However, if I pirate a game I like, I pay for it. Simple as. Support devs, especially indie.

[-] hydra@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I bought Terraria and Geometry Dash just to support the devs. Also some Valve games as a reward to them for pouring so much effort into the Linux ecosystem and contributing all their improvements back to it.

[-] CC5576@vlemmy.net 1 points 1 year ago

Rossmann is based af

[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago

As long as piracy is easier than obtaining something legally, I'll continue to do it. I stopped pirating music, because Spotify is much much nicer to use and gives a better experience overall. I stopped pirating games since steam is nice. I almost stopped pirating movies when Netflix came out. Only pirated some extremely niche stuff. But now I'm back in the high seas, baby!

[-] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I think I'll be pirating until the economy gets better. And I don't mean wall street, I mean when the average person get paid enough to have extra money for entertainment stuff. Aint nobody gonna pay for a netflix subscription every month or $70 for a game that could still have bugs, people got food to buy, bills to pay.

You want less piracy? Simple. Just give people a higher quality of life.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Mate, 95% of the world's population lives in worse conditions than US, what higher quality of life are you talking about?

[-] fifisaac@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, 'some people are starving so be happy you're only struggling to pay rent'

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

US has one if the most affordable housing in the world https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2023-mid&displayColumn=6

Yeah, you should be very happy.

[-] Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

I think its worth taking a look at how this index is calculated: https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/indicators_explained.jsp This is taken from an investment rather than housing standpoint. The US is great for people who invest in housing as landlords, not so much for those that must rent from them. One of the measures in your index is rental profitability, which is great for some and terrible for many. Our rental situation also varies dramatically in different regions. I live in California, where it is very bad. No prospect for home ownership unless you are very wealthy, and insane rent (most of our exploding homeless population is local people priced out of the market). Also note that the average wage in the united states is significantly higher than the median wage. This is because the US has fairly high inequality for a western country and we have a lot of crazy rich people who act as outliers. This does not make life better for working Americans.

It's way better than living in many post colonial states, but a lot of countries such as France or Germany or Sweden or Denmark simply have a staggeringly higher quality of life for working class people, and the quality of life for working class Americans has also been diving downhill in recent years due to a number of developing crises. Median wage has shot down, even as inflation has spiked. Our hospitals are critically understaffed, and medical debt has exploded.

You mentioned you were from the UK, and you have my sympathy. It sounds like the UK is also suffering from similar crises, but to a greater degree, especially this past winter. I don't doubt that it may currently be rougher in many ways for the average working class Brit than the average working class American. Though I still envy the NHS.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You see, the problem is that advanced Western countries are home to about 10% of world's population. That still leaves 90% living in worse conditions.

Yes, California has very high prices, but you can just pack your stuff and move to a neighbour state. If you live in Syria or India you can't really move anywhere because all your neighbours are not that better.

Also have you ever noticed how migrants from poor countries often end up being landlords and businessmen? I moved to UK from a poor country some years ago, it took me just two years to buy a flat. Yet Brits complain non stop how expensive their properties are and how everyone will be stuck renting forever. And I guess they will unless they change their attitudes and start working hard and responsibly. I believe the same applies to US.

[-] Domriso@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Ah, so you're a landlord? That explains things.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Now that's just wrong

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

That's just a fact.

[-] Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I think you might not be from the US, or live in a bubble here. All around me are people on the verge of homelessness, who can't afford basic medical care, who work multiple jobs to afford rent and food, who can't afford daycare for their kids while they work. There are plenty of places where things are far worse, but there's also plenty of places where things are far better. Most western european workers get way more time off, unions, better medical care. Brazil has free medicine. China has wayyyy cheaper (and just as good) medical care. Granted these places have other problems, but I can't say that the US has anywhere near the best quality of life for an average worker.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I'm from Western Europe. Housing is much much more expensive here. If you're on a verge of homelessness in US, I have bad news for you.

In any case, billions of people can't even dream of US quality of life. That's just a fact. Your medical care might be expensive, but you have it, most people don't have access to modern medicine at all. Hundreds of millions don't have access to clean water. I don't think you understand how people live elsewhere.

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Even if what you're saying is true, and nowhere exists on Earth where there is a high quality of life, it doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to get there.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You can aim for whatever you want, but how's that's relevant to the discussion?

[-] CoffeeDart@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

95% of Western Europe has better qol than the US

[-] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So?

[-] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I only pirate movies and shows because I refuse to pay for 10 different streaming services, all of them want 8-15 euros/month. I pay for Spotify, I pay for Youtube Premium, I pay for Steam and GOG games, I pay for Gamepass... but video? Fuck that

[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Spotify makes music piracy kinda pointless. Soulseek was cool at one point, but then everybody just made everything private. Nowadays if it's not on Spotify, it's an artist actually making money from sales and they should be supported.