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they are terrified of the fediverse. it offers everything they do, but with none of the bullshit.. all we need is momentum.
I'm pretty happy with fediverse as it is. If we had the size they do id be yelling into the wind again like in my last years there. I don't want this place to be anything like what reddit became. Now that i know what it can be like i don't want to go back, not even to reddit circa 2010 when i found it
Yeah, I am super happy with what we have here, Redditors can come here at whatever pace they like but I won't rush them. I spent my last month on Reddit (in June) helping people move to Lemmy, but there were so many comments of "why are you still here then, lul", so I left that site and haven't bothered since.
why are you still here then
I ignore those, or just answer to encourage more people to move. It's important to still have people on reddit encouraging and helping people migrate.
why are you still here then, lul
I dont understand that mindset from people. are they trying to bait you into conversation or put you down or are they genuinely not know that "a captain leaves the ship last to rescues his crew"
I suppose they were trying to be witty like saying "Farewell and see you back here tomorrow!" as I suppose most of the casual users will have stayed with the platform.
I tried. Maybe I'll post a new FAQ post in like 4 months for the sake of anyone still curious after a year since a lot has changed and improved since then.
Agree, we shouldn't subscribe to the "growth before everything" mentality here. Quality of comments is generally quite high with a much better signal to noise ratio.
Also it's nice to NOT see the same tired comment chains under each and every top comment.
I don’t want this place to be anything like what reddit became
Unfortunately, most of the migrating communities have been meme subs. So it may be inevitable as any site tries to appeal to the mainstream.
I want the niche subs to migrate. And for that, the Fediverse needs to be the default, which requires numbers.
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Most of those comments criticizing Lemmy are actually criticisms that apply to reddit.
I'm far more likely to find a community full of Nazis on reddit than I am here. It's not something that most instances would tolerate. Meanwhile, the default subs on reddit have comment sections filled with thinly veiled white nationalist accounts and drop-shipping scambots.
I guess technically such instances do exist in the fediverse, but they're effectively silenced because every major instance defederates from them.
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Why are you surprised?
We left reddit for good reason.
Of course they are. Mods there in general are ridiculous. Remember when less than 20 supermods had a huge hand in controlling hundreds of the top Subs?
Or, how they talked about standing up during the API change with the blackout and then almost immediately folded when even the whiff of their imaginary sense power was threaten? Never have seen such incredulous mass backpedaling.
Screw that platform. Too much over centralisation, anyway. Fediverse is the way.
I've also been pretty creeped out by how many pro-reddit people there are on lemmy. It's really weird.
I haven't found that many, that's surprising
I haven't really seen that many, are you noticing them somewhere in particular?
I feel like I'm more "pro-Reddit" than a lot of other users here, in that I'm supportive of people that want to use both while working on the Lemmy alternative to whatever subreddit they might still want to use.
Some useful communities didn't get rolling on here yet (career communities, niche hobbies and interests, social causes) and it's ok if people want to check them to keep up. People have lives outside of Reddit/Lemmy.
That's about the extent of the pro-Reddit that I've seen on here. It's possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation? I can take a look later too
No, not one place in particular. All over. This thread https://sh.itjust.works/post/12661975 is a recent example. When I got there it was full of people making excuses for people staying on reddit, and I got downvoted for pointing it out https://sh.itjust.works/comment/7470095.
I've even seen it in places like lemmy.world/reddit, so I'm glad that !snoocalypse@lemmy.ml exists.
It’s possible you might be seeing some vote manipulation?
I considered that, but it's not just votes, there are plenty of comments too.
Ohh ok
Yea I personally find most of those points reasonable, but I get why you might disagree
As for your point in that comment: If some community actively opposes migrating, then that's likely bad and it should be called out. A lot of the communities I've encountered seem to have the mindset of "we are open to it but don't have the time/energy to do it ourselves". I'm helping with a few communities like that :)
What communities have you found that to be the case? I'm not a power user by any means but have not seen a single comment that was pro-reddit. Just a bunch of people that hate spez as if he killed their dog.
Bots and shills
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It's so weird because r/modcoord is the place to be when talking about reddit blackout, it's where people get info on what's happening, what to do, and how to move on, but then now it's back to business. The reddit blackout sure give me a clearer perspective on why a lot of boycott fail.
Reddit made it pretty clear pretty quickly they weren't going to change their minds, so mods either put their money where their mouths were and left Reddit, or became scabs. It's only the scabs that'd still be visiting /r/modcoord.
I'd have to check, but I think even during the protest there were some issues around modcoord. The users in control seemed to be recommending against Lemmy and for Kbin (or some other thing that never took off), and removing comments that disagreed.
Meanwhile Lemmy and Kbin have been coexisting amicably lol
So now that Lemmy/Kbin have settled in as the key alternatives, they are clamping down harder?
Edit: Interesting, I had some details off but it looks like the user who pushed for Kbin is the one making this thread. Nice to see that the user is open minded
Now, I want to make a bold statement: I think Lemmy is the best alternative to Reddit, and the most likely to compete with it, even though it has a long way to go against Reddit itself. I used to be a Lemmy supporter, but then I moved to Kbin and recommended others to do the same, after learning about the problematic political views of Lemmy’s developers, especially regarding human rights and such. But I realized later that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and that this is not an issue as long as the project is open source, with an open development, and as long as you avoid instances like lemmygrad. Most instances, like lemmy.world (which is also the biggest Lemmy instance), are not run by them and do not share their views. Lemmy’s developers also clarified that their personal views will not affect the platform itself.
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Imo, the boycott failed when mods of popular subreddits caved to demands and decided to reopen.
As soon as they reopened, reddit was back in business. The mods tried to pass it off as "well we're going to protest within the rules of Reddit" by doing shit like only post John Oliver or really childish shit.
It was funny but still childish.
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn't replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
I really wanted the blackout to work. And it could have. But when the mods caved, reddit won.
If you and me came here because of the api thing, we won. Reddit doesn't know what they're missing cus we're cool and great
Mods had power because they were united and reddit couldn’t replace all of them at once. Instead, they picked them off one by one.
My guess is that they decided that the little fictitious power that they had over their communities was worth dealing with an obnoxious administration, that outright belittles them as "landed gentry". As such, they never actually planned any sort of migration out of Reddit, and instead rationalised their decision to stay there as "we're thinking on the users".
Maybe they are afraid
“Lemmy” has been automatically removed for a few months on Reddit. There are too many comments here for me to sift through them all, so apologies if this was covered elsewhere.
Eventually the people will see the truth and decide for themselves. Apart of me thinks that its a good thing that there isn't THAT many people coming over to Lemmy, but another part would love to see how it would flourish with even more users. Either way we can just hope for the best of the platform.
You still there? You’re contributing to the problem, no matter how much you think you aren’t.
Need to encourage more communities to move to Lemmy.
Perhaps "we" (users in general) could be a bit more strategic with this. Reddit admins have a noticeable disdain for the smaller subs there, and yet they are [were?] what shaped Reddit the most, and made it fun. They are bound to have some grievances with Reddit; and even if the Fediverse is rather small, here they'd have some room for growth that they wouldn't with the competition of larger subs.
Notice how a commenter here https://archive.ph/cV8X6 says "I think the removals are being / have been reversed", which is totally false. I see that a lot.
You can't spell "reddit" without "a fuck ton of astroturf"
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