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At least eight people have been diagnosed with measles in an outbreak that started last month in the Philadelphia area. The most recent two cases were confirmed on Monday.

The outbreak began after a child who'd recently spent time in another country was admitted to the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) with an infection, which was subsequently identified as measles. The Philadelphia Department of Public Health considers the case to be "imported" but did not say from where.

The disease then spread to three other people at CHOP, two of whom were already hospitalized there for other reasons.

Two of those infected at the hospital were a parent and child. The child had not been vaccinated and the parent was offered medication usually given to unvaccinated people that can prevent infection after exposure to measles, but refused it, the Philadelphia Inquirer first reported.

Despite quarantine instructions, the child was sent to day care on Dec. 20 and 21, the health department said.

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[-] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Yeah it sucks the family ignored the quarantine orders, I agree. Maybe they should be held liable for that.

What concerns me more, and what we should be talking about, is that the kid shows up at the hospital and two other patients contact the disease. At the hospital.

Being at a hospital should not be a threat to ones health. This along with other hospital borne illness and the insane amount of preventable deaths from medical negligence should concern all of us.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 8 points 5 months ago

I ask that you rethink this direction.

Hospitals, and people who are trying to save lives, should not be held responsible for the negligence of the ignorant few.

They spend a lot of time, money, and training on preventing Hospital Acquired ID, but they can only prevent so much. Sometimes it's due to negligence, but they can't restrain a child in a waiting room, they can't stop 100℅ of spread. Without knowing the facts of the case (which they are surely reviewing), please don't jump to blame.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 5 months ago

I wouldn't blame the hospitals themselves so much as the tradition of waiting room triage.

We shouldn't be concentrating a bunch of potentially-contaigous inpatients together at all, but remodeling the infrastructure to design around a more sterile intake process would be expensive.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 5 months ago

Agreed. And wouldn't be considered expensive if there was a cap on profits.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Contrary to popular belief, the hospital is not a completely sanitary place.

Rather, it's a place they try their absolute hardest to keep as sanitary as possible because they don't want the healthy people (doctors, nurses, visitors, etc.) to get sick and because they don't want the sick people (patients) to get even more sick.

Germs can unfortunately slip through the cracks even if every procedure is followed to the letter. There are times where they break procedure either on purpose or by accident (and doctors and hospitals can be put on the hook, legally, for those times), but this doesn't seem to be one of those times given what we know right now.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The R naught (how many people a disease spreads to per infected person) on measles is insane; the average infected person can spread it to 12-18 people (source https://www.sciencenews.org/article/one-number-can-help-explain-why-measles-so-contagious)

Covid is like 1.2- 1.4 people per infected person. It left 1,000,000 Americans dead, which is about 416 Pearl Harbors or 333 9/11s.

The Spanish flu of 1918 killed multiple millions and, if memory serves, had an R naught of 2-3. Basically, our underfunded hospitals stand no chance against something so unbelievably infectious. Thank God we have a vaccine for it.

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