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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I have a friend that teaches uni labs... God, EVERYBODY uses AI to code the most basic, most boring, most intuitive and easy hello worlds, if / else chains, basic arithmetic, basic UI templates, the list goes on.

If uni students are like this I can't imagine what is lower. It must be abysmal.

I understand using AI, I really do, but come on, if you can ask it to write an assignment, you can fucking ask it to explain it to you as well... Even AI can grasp and explain such basic starter uni bullshit... BUT THEY JUST DON'T BOTHER. They LITERALLY JUST DON'T CARE. IN UNI.

It's mind boggling to think that a fucking 18 year old that made it to uni is so fucking incredibly idiotic.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

As someone who went through university before AI, this is nothing new.

Software engineering is a 4 year title. In 3rd year, there were still people that couldn't pass basic programming, which as you may guess is a 1st year subject.

People that have been studying software engineering for 3 years could not pass a subject where the most complicated assignment was filtering over an iterator. And I don't mean implementing it, I mean literally doing my_list.get_iterator().filter(is_odd);. Where get_iterator and filter is already implemented.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The difference is, previously lazy students had to be either forced to engage and learn against their will, or come to terms with the fact that they don't want to, and change a career to something they don't hate doing. Now they have an option of faking an education without wrinkling their brain even once, and I can't classify this phenomenon as anything but civilisation ending event. Not to be overly dramatic, but dark ages are comming

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

Glad our uni was programming-heavy and required us to implement our own stdlib in C and C++ and then tested it on speed, accuracy, memory constraints and extreme scenarios.

We then used our own true-and-tested implementations in the upcoming assignments - like DFS, BFS, A*, graph search, simulated annealing / tabu search / genetic algorithms, and many more.

While it was kind of a pain submitting my code and automatic testing software told me it didn't pass some random valued and finding the bugs, it was very educational and I taught me a lot.

I've had 4 years of programming before uni, tho.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

As a 10+ year dev I’d admittedly likely need to look it up unless we are talking about lambda expressions, but if it was coursework I’d assume it would be in review.

But yeah, we had our fair share of dropouts in the comp courses as well, which was always nuts to me.

[–] b3nsn0w@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

honestly, i think it's an overarching issue with the education system. ai is not the cause, it's the symptom, people had a million ways of dodging tasks before it too. it's just easier now than it's ever been.

if you know anything about indie game design, you know that learning is fun. as in, not that learning is a fun activity, but that learning is literally what fun is. you just need an environment that's actually conducive to that, and it will be extremely gripping, because you will have created a flow state generator.

but it turns out that doing that, while also ensuring what you're learning is at all useful (as opposed to, y'know, how to pop heads in counter-strike or something) is difficult enough that most teachers just gave up and decided that learning must suck. which is a problem for many reasons, but i think the biggest one is that if it's not fun, you're not actually learning: if it's boring, it's because you already know how to do it, and doing it more doesn't make you do it better, and if it's frustrating, it's because you keep failing and all that failing doesn't teach any skills. practice is important, sure, but good practice lies halfway between these ends, and it's fun. but a lot of people don't get there, and they're told it doesn't matter if you get there, what matters is if you get through.

i think that's why all these courses are getting skipped by ai. because a staggering amount of people in education programs, in any kind pretty much, aren't there to really learn, they are there to get through, by any means. because the whole social contract is that this is a thing that sucks, but if you get through it, you get a piece of paper and that paper will give you a nice life. it's a nice thought, it's understandable, human brains are wired to understand tradeoffs intuitively. but it skips the bloody point of why we do all this in the first place.

and yeah, i get why you're frustrated that uni students don't know this. but honestly, how would they? no one told them the world they were raised in since the age of 6 is a lie.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

People who were dodging tasks before knew that they were doing it, and in the end they either had to adapt and learn, or fake it till they learned something against their will, or dropout.
Now they get through the education without once having to think. Which means the whole generation is basically uneducated, and relies on like two companies for all of their thinking.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Crazy that as soon as a passable human analog came about, we instantly offloaded creativity, communication, and thinking.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, a computer gaming course isn’t any of that in the beginning. It’s basics, and basics is what LLMs excel at. Need 800 lines that are a monotonus number of checks boiled down to some sort of mapped system to clean up the code? It can do that in a fraction of a second.

The problem is that when you skip those basics you never learn the more advanced stuff either, because you don’t have the basics to build upon.

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

I think it's difficult to learn the advanced stuff if you skip out on the basics. Experienced programmers can use AI for basic stuff, why not?

Disclaimer: I'm not a programmer so I might be talking shit.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 76 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How do you mark that? You can't just give them a zero

Yes you can; it's easy. Make the policy clear that any generative AI use will result in disqualification of the whole team. Then enforce it.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 33 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

disqualification of the whole team.

Oh fuck no. I've been stuck on teams with deadweights before. Teachers refused to do anything about them contributing nothing at all. Still pissed that asshole graduated.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I swear group assignments are probably the best exposure to real-life work that the school can offer. You will run into people just as lazy throughout your life. Better to recognize them early on and come up with a plan for dealing with them.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Sure, but when you're working and happen to have lazy people on your team it's generally not gonna get you fired and take away significant career opportunities. When you're in uni, however, you could fail your course and consequently fail to get a degree. The consequences are not comparable.

[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 3 points 15 hours ago

Sure, great, it's one thing if it's costing the employer money. It's quite another if I'm paying for an education and the school is fucking me over

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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

This has been an issue with schools since forever. Focusing on grades instead of learning means many kids will do what is needed to get a good grade, pass the class and get the degree.

When we stop valuing grades and start valuing knowledge directly, learning improves. Knowledge should be the reward and what we laud. The grade is just a mechanic for evaluation, but should be considered no value in itself. That's what kids need to be taught and shown from day one.

When your kid comes home from school, ask them what they learned. Ask them to teach you as if you don't know, or maybe you really don't. Don't correct them, instead ask questions that might lead them to the correct answer, if you know it. People learn best by teaching others. When you give your kid the expectation that they will be teaching you what they learned, even casually, they pay attention in class and do much better.

It's much better than doomscrolling tiktok for both of you, trust me.

[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago

"What did you learn at school today?"

"Nothing."

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Who the fuck enrolls in an educational course, if they wish to skip learning?

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Oh, you'd be surprised.

I used to teach english for non native speakers, and after chatgpt's debut in 2023, almost every single essay, homework, and presentation was entirely done with LLMs. We had to demand handwritten essays, and presentations had to be done in the classroom (we gave the theme, they worked out a presentation, and then presented it the same day without leaving the class).

And even then, some students would ask to go to the bathroom, use their phones, memorize a whole ass paragraph from chatgpt and then come inside class to write it down.

[–] lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

As all the others say, they want the cert and the status that comes with the cert.

It's part of the reason everyone needs three years experience for an entry level job, a good student fresh out of education is worth little but then worth a lot if they learn fast. A bad student fresh out of education won't learn at all and will be an active detriment, if only because they're taking a seat someone better could take.

People who use AI for everything aren't guaranteed to be bad students, but bad students probably will use AI for everything. The trick will be figuring out the difference.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, ultimately I think the root of the problem is how much HR is part of hiring and selection processes despite not really knowing how to evaluate the specific skills required to do the job. If skills were being evaluated rather than resumes and interview skills, then cheating your way to a degree would be pointless.

[–] tomatosametomato@piefed.zip 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I know you want the business owners to work harder but I have a question for you:

How much do you wanna work for an interview? I applied to 50 places, I would quit society and become a hermit if I had to take an exam (evaluation whatever you wanna call it) for each one.

What if we had a place we can attend where we prove skills and they give us a paper which makes us skip this "skill evaluation" you are talking about?

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Maybe some sort of paid interview where actual work is done. Like give them a real task to complete to demonstrate their ability to do that task (and then go over it with them to see if they know what is going on with it to rule out using an AI to do something they don't understand).

Or have technical people handle the technical parts of the interview, people that will recognize when someone gives an answer to a problem that isn't on the answer key but is actually the best answer they've seen for that question. I bet there's tons of stories where some clueless HR person rejected someone because they were smarter than the answer key but the HR person had no idea and just marked them wrong. Except the stories don't get told because neither party has enough information to realize just how idiotic the scenario was.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Increasingly higher ed in america is being treated as a degree mill, where students are "customers" and the degree is a "product."

It's disgusting, but it's a natural consequence of a commodified education system in which colleges and universities are treated as businesses.

I personally think we need to cut out the parasitic administrators and let the department faculty run the schools like co-ops, and possibly hire out the few administrative tasks that are actually necessary.

That would be far cheaper than paying these enormous administrative salaries, so it could lower tuition while increasing faculty pay.

But has anyone considered those poor shareholders?

[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

We also need to address companies gutting any internal training programs and then gate keeping jobs that really have no need for a college degree behind a requirement for any bachelor's degree at all to be eligible for consideration. There's way too many jobs that that in my father's time had a 6 month probation period where they taught you the basics of a trade, where now they just contract college grads and hope a BA means they can figure it out on their own, in lieu of having proper in house training programs.

There are a lot of people who don't really have any need for, or even interest in, a higher education who are going just because it's become the bare minimum to get an okay job through this inflation of requirements for entry level positions. They get saddled with debt they don't need (and can likely I'll afford), while the curriculum gets dumbed down for everyone, in order to keep the schools' numbers looking good.

To be clear, this isn't a knock on any of these folks. I just think there need to be more viable routes to a career with a living wage for people who don't want to go to university. Maybe they come back later in life, maybe they don't, but they should still be able to find a job that affords them a dignified life.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

Wools that just want the cert

The mentally bankrupt

[–] core@leminal.space 7 points 23 hours ago

Just for the cert or whatever at the end.

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Add a new part that needs to be done in class with no AI on the existing project.

Add this new feature

Fix these bugs.

Explain how you addressed these problems and what kind of complications you ran into and how it could have been easier to manage.

The PR is part of what you get graded on.

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So i imagine if a student doing a video game course is doing it because they are passionate about gaming, and these students are willing to use AI to shortcut something they actively want to do, then its not a big leap to assume they are using it to deal with all the other subjects they find tedious.

I feel like we are heading for a future of flesh robots interfacing with the internet to steer their lives, and the second the internet goes down people will be wandering around aimlessly, looking dazed in an internal conflict between wondering where to start and being confused that the black glass in their hand cant give them answers.

[–] teslekova@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago

You're right, I should read Accelerando again.

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