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Saw this on women's stuff and didn't wanna engage cause that space isnt for me, but felt like this was a 10/10 post and wanted more people to see and think about it!

Feel free to cross post if you can think of broader communities where more people would be able to see it, this is just the comm that came to mind :)

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

now replace everywhere it says men/women with people and it's even more accurate.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

This seems accurate, yeah

[–] nastronot@lemmy.zip 5 points 14 hours ago

The world has too much nuance to be distilled in a silly chart.

The bottom chart is just another version of the top.

[–] BeerStainedBunny@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I wish cis men would take accountability instead of throwing temper tantrums. We know cis women can be dangerous. A lot of trans people have stories about cis women hurting us. But there's a very clear difference in how cis men are treated versus everyone else, and how much violence and harassment is excused when it's done against the rest of us. It's worse when you're trans, too.

Now this post is about women specifically. If someone wants to make an image for violence against men or nonbinary people then do it and stop complaining.

[–] snowdriftissue@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Seriously. This is one of the toxic comment sections I've come across on this platform. Time to add a few more to the blocklist...

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I think thats part of what's frustrating to me about some of the comments- describing the ways in which men participate in or allow for the victimization of women doesn't preclude women can do harm or men can be harmed.

A lot more people read this as a personal attack than I expected. I get why people sometimes feel frustrated or defensive about the way men are painted with a broad stroke, but the post is really just about understanding the "ladder of enablement" nature of how harm happens to women, and thats a really important concept I feel the image does an extremely good job visualizing

[–] StumblingWasabi@lemmy.today 2 points 11 hours ago

I wonder if part of that comes from the top bar, it being 90% white when 10% red primes thinking about it as portion of the population whereas (at least how I believe you are describing it) the second graph is about depicting more of the spectrum of the different stances without regard to population size. I wonder if making the first bar 50-50 would help clarify that it's moreso showing the view of either your evil or you arnt.

Honestly, trans men aren't much better. I've talked to others about the rampant sexism in the gay community especially against trans masculine and nonbinary people. The response I got from trans men was defensiveness and my comments being deleted. A lot of men (not all) can't take criticism.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

Now do the same for women.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago (8 children)

That is not totally wrong, if you just replace "men" with "humans". As if women couldn't be unfathomably evil predators...

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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like a pretty good example of sexism.

[–] tachikoma@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know. I don't seem to be actively discriminated by the post above.

And in my experience it's pretty true. I rarely meey another boy/man that understands women have been the target of oppression for centuries.

Sieze the means of reporduction... or something like that.

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

True? But also I feel like this just stokes gender war by specifically focusing on men, as though men are the only ones who'll ever be evil...

[–] eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Another point it is missing is that women facilitate toxic masculinity as well. Their friends, girlfriends, mothers, basically half of their social circles, can be enablers of that behaviour.

But you'll never hear it admitted that these people are part of the problem (and the solution)

[–] PatrickYaa@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Aaaaaaaand this is the issue. This is a post about violence towards women. And you are saying "but there's also women serial killers".

As with "black lives matter", it is not that the author doesn:t see or believe that there isn't violence towards other ethnic groups, but that there exists a problem that is especially big, violence towarfs PoC. Or in this case, violence and sexism towards women.

This is a post about violence towards women by men. Please use this space to discuss violence towards women by men. If you want to highlight the violence towards men by men or towards men by women, chose or create a seperate post.

It's not that those topics don't merit discussion, but that discussion towards those issues diminish and undermine the conversation about the original topic. (as this long winded post towards your top comment.)

[–] zwiebelkaramell@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This is a post about violence towards women by men.

It's a post about men being predators. Women are not mentioned. You are the one showing your true colors by assuming women are the only people who can be preyed upon.

If you're going to be haughty and dismissive, you should at least make sure you are right first.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

I’m exhausted at the “you’re all rapists and if you say otherwise you’re attacking us”

Fuck off with this divisive straw man shit.

The irony of this post is it goes “there’s no black and white”, then creates a new black and white with different goal posts.

You can’t accuse an entire sex (except generously 10%) of being evil then pretend that they shouldn’t be offended by it. Nobody is saying there aren’t bad men, but this is just complete unhealthy misandry.

Yes, there are problematic behaviours and it is absolutely not black and white, but seriously? Swap out the group to any other group and this is offensive and clearly wrong.

[–] Ediacarium@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

While it might be phrased unfortunately, I think "you're no angle either" is a natural way to respond to a verbal (image-based?) attack.

If you compare the colors top and bottom, the amount of 'good men' go from 90% down to 10%, with only 'heroic men' still getting the pure white color. Or in other words: "You are part predator, if you're not a hero".

But people - in general - like to hang with others that are similar to them. So, if you're e.g. a 'Well-meaning man', you will mostly enjoy the presence of 'well-meaning men', 'heroic men' and 'unfortunate fact men', with very very little amount of actual predators.

And since men usually don't start with "What's your stance on violence against women", to men, the top bar is their true experience: You're a good guy, until you're not.

And, the female impression is probably wrong, too. Since they're women, predators will actively seek them out.

So, the question then remains: What is the purpose of this post for men?
It makes sense in an all-women space. It validates the female viewpoint, and thus allows everyone to vent and grief their experience.

But men can only maybe define themselves as part predator and move on, because this post doesn't help transition our point of view towards the bottom one.

It just says: men are wrong, here is the truth, thus the reaction you got.

I think, in male or mixed spaces, a post would provoke less of this kind of reaction, if it would first validate men's viewpoint and then helps them - without invalidating their experience - explain the true population and women's experience.

Even better, if it removes men's worries about transitioning towards being a 'heroic men' and gives them a guide on how to recognize, stop and therapy predators.

After all, if only 10% of men you encounter are active predators, you will need some good training just to spot them when they're not 'on the hunt'.

[–] Sternout@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

This is a post about violence towards women.

Not true. The post is about male predators and victims. Doesn't mention the gender of the victims as it shouldn't, because it is irrelevant.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (16 children)
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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Am man, don’t think predation outside the bedroom with consent should be a thing, and anyone doing so should be dealt with accordingly. Also “actively” enjoy consensual predation.

Where exactly do I fit on this scale?

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 7 points 1 day ago

Its not predation when both partners are consensually choosing a way they'd like to engage with eachother

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why are they “heroic” just for intervening? That’s seems like just basic human decency to stand up against sexism.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's a lot of risk to intervening, you can easily be seen as evil.

The problem with this chart is individuals are variable. Right now person A can be on the right side of the bar, tomorrow they could be heroic.

We're all assholes sometimes, other times more heroic.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

We’re all assholes sometimes, other times more heroic.

In the sense that a person has no single defined position on the chart? Yes

In the sense that two people cannot have different average positions? No

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