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[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 168 points 2 weeks ago (50 children)

Every phone maker seems convinced that if they can be the one to make this work, they'll be the champion of world forever, or something.

I can't understand why a user would even want this. How many users do want this?

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 130 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I like the idea of it, but I can live without it.

A foldable phone has the benefits of a tablet (screen size) and a phone (more compact), allowing you to alternate between the two at will. I can see the appeal.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Kinda. They tend to result in a phone that is too big to be comfortable, that open to a tablet that is too small to be all that useful.

The Duo has a cover screen that is 5.4 inches and it unfolds to 7.6", while being thicker, bigger and heavier than a 18 pro max with a 6.9" screen. Is the pro max a tablet already then, it's quite dang close in screen size after all.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

You can't understand why someone would want phone that becomes a tablet? Really?

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 35 points 2 weeks ago

For real. Just last weekend I was at a conference and realized that I left my tablet at home and the agenda/workbook for the event was PDF. I was pinching and scrolling with my iPhone while my colleague next to me opened up his Galaxy Fold and was reading everything fine. I mean, yeah, it's not a common need for me, but there's definitely use-cases for this--especially for people who have to read digital documents on the go a lot and don't want to have to carry extra devices just to do so.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

You're saying there's been zero times you're looking at something on your phone and would like a bigger screen for it? Not once have you had something on your phone and wished it was full size? Or gone to open it on a tablet or computer instead?

[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

All those times i also wanted a mouse and keyboard.

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[–] crystalmathadept@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Having never owned a tablet, it’s either a phone or my pc monitor. I even have an iPhone 12 MINI, and I’m a bigger dude so it looks like a business card in my hand.

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[–] CombatWombat@feddit.online 30 points 2 weeks ago

I do. Consolidating my phone and tablet into a single device would be very convenient. Adding support for an external monitor, keyboard and mouse to replace my laptop would be even better. I didn't buy a Duo not because I don't want the product, but because I know they won't work well for another few iterations (at least).

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I'll join the chorus. If the price-point were right and the tech were reliable, I'd happily trade a good amount of thickness in order to have the option of an iPad Mini or an iPhone, but in the footprint of the latter when not in use. I really prefer to carry my phone in my front pocket and not to EDC a bag.

It's just that the price-point is wrong and the tech is not reliable.

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[–] PhatalFlaw@lemmy.world 117 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's the exact failure that happened on the bend test for Zak on JerryRigEverything. Crazy it's happening without the full-muscle stress test.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 70 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The article says that the best guess is there's a physical part of the hinge about there that must be perfectly aligned, and if it isn't then that specific screen is eventually doomed.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 47 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, this boils down to a manufacturing engineering problem. There's some process happening during assembly that's resulting in these slipping by... or being allowed by.

EDIT: And I mean, yeah, the thing could've been designed better from the get go, but that ship sailed long ago.

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[–] roserose56@lemmy.zip 102 points 2 weeks ago
[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 93 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I am an old IT guy. This was a hard and fast rule: Never buy version 1.0 of anything.

[–] SynAcker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Same goes for the first model year of vehicles

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[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This shouldn't be a 1.0 version of a phone with a folding screen, though, android phones have been doing this for a loooong time now and they are not and haven't been flaky tech for some time now. I guess you're right about Apple and this SKU, though. A bit surprising, I'm not an iPhone person but I always expect them to do pretty rigorous QA.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It is ver 1.0 for Apple. Same as touchscreen for laptops. Apple hasn't done it.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

They're always a few versions behind, but somehow manage to get credit for the "innovation".

[–] Baylahoo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"it just works" has been wrong for so long

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[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 66 points 2 weeks ago
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apple probably didn't plan for their planned obsolescence to work THIS quickly.

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[–] KeithD@lemmy.nz 61 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Looks like Apple should have made sure their precision engineered hinge was also accurate engineered.

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[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 59 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Tbh, I figured Apple taking their time on these was because they were trying to improve the engineering over the Android folding screen offerings.

Now I wonder if they just wait because everyone assumes Apple would try and make it better, and then they just sell a bunch + the Apple tax, even though it's just as bad of a product. Like, the marketing team just saying: "wait a couple years".

[–] Brimstone@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They still have to develop the software.

Even if they just clone the hardware.

Apple usually do the software more integrated than Android shipping phone companies.

It makes sense that it takes longer to do those integrations.

For me the price point is just becoming insane for even basic iPhones and the battery life is terrible

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Apple usually do the software more integrated than Android shipping phone companies.

And yet the software rollout has been very bungled, and added more fragmentation into the app store, adding a "designed for iphone duo" label and poor support for existing apps. About 10-15 years ago, this is something which Apple fanboys made fun of Android about.

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[–] Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Hardly matters, the sort of people who buy such a pointless, gimicky and overly expensive phone will keep buying Apple regardless.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

I like tech, I think it's cool, and expensive features almost always become cheap or standard features in the future.

When someone figures out how to do this well, I will definitely want a folding phone. Although I want a phone that folds half the size of a normal phone, not a normal phone size that folds out to a tablet.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Although I want a phone that folds half the size of a normal phone, not a normal phone size that folds out to a tablet.

You already got a joking reply to this with someone mentioning a regular flip phone, but Samsung does actually make what you're asking for, the "Z Flip" line of phones, which have been developed in lock step with the more popular Z Fold series. Most recent is the Z Flip8 from this year.

Image of graphite coloured Z Flip8

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[–] XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

they make those

[–] mantricx@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Samsung Fold and Pixel Fold have been getting it reliable for years now.

But if you want half size, look at the Razr and its like $500 not $2000.

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

It's a first generation product. Remember the first Galaxy Fold and what a disaster that was? It's kinda like that (only more expensive).

Apple should have the benefit of hindsight but apparently not.

[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Apple ia not brraking into a new segment with new tech like Samsung did. Foldable phones have been around long enough for them to sell a working phone.

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[–] soupcon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is hilarious to me because all I hear from Apple fanbois about why iPhones are always years behind Samsung et al on new features is because "Apple don't release things until they work properly"

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In a way, yes. But in another way, no.

It is a first gen device, but the screen came from samsung and has been developed for a long time. Galaxy folds don't break like this one does.

Apple made some bad choices in the design instead of building upon samsungs tried and tested design.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I was all set to wait for a Motorola Razr with Graphene to drop (and finally be done with Apple) until I read the iFixit tear-down of the Duo and realized that all foldables are fragile and require extra care (that I, a surfer and parent of four children, cannot guarantee). I think now I'm going to get a Fairphone 6 with /e/

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[–] M154nthr0p3@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Ripley_Tripley@lemmus.org 19 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

This is basically a tablet people, get a dam tablet, especially one that isnt 2000 USS. 😑

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

As an owner of multiple galaxy folds, I really wish people that don't see the use case would stop treating their opinion as fact.

This is a phone that folds open into a tablet.

Not "basically a tablet"

The apple one is nothing special, its essentially the same as the wide fold 8. (The one i currently use)

I have a tablet. I don't use it. Because it is heavy, it doesn't fit in my pocket and i can't make phone calls on it. All the things that make a phone different to a tablet are present on my "basically a tablet"

I have a specific use case for this phone. It suits me down to the ground. I don't pretend this phone is for everyone, but i also don't pretend it is for no one like you have done here.

Sorry to direct this at you, but it really does trigger me when i see this type of comment.

If you don't see it working for you then just don't buy one. No need to throw shade because you personally don't like them.

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[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I never really understood the appeal of these.

They are nifty tech but new black rectangle that does the same shit as the last black rectangle has long ago stopped interesting me.

I now just get medium priced black rectangle every four or five years and ignore everything in between.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago

I’m surprised it became a noticeable problem this quickly. I was gonna give it a few more months before the failures started happening.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Precision engineered hype and sales.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

this is like the Samsung Fold all over again...

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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 13 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Yeah... Folding screens were never a good idea.

[–] BauerBender@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I am all about trying new stuff though. Remember when phones had cool gimmicks? Now they are all exactly the same damn thing. Shit, even my old Samsung Galaxy whatever had an IR blaster and heart rate monitor. Now they don't even have 3.5mm head phone jacks. Every phone is the same black rectangle. I think a phone like the one from the Spike Jonze movie "Her" would be sweet.

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[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I had some issues with a Fold3 and had it replaced for some micro-cracks showing down the middle of the crease, but now I'm beating the shit out of a fold 7 and it's been perfect for a year so far.

apple got something wrong with the hinge design here, you'd think they'd get it right after holding off on folders this long though.

[–] shartgargle@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apple is slow on everything and manages to act like they're top shelf.

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[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Hello its me, the ghost of utter shock and surprise.

Ha ha you've been bambolzled.

It is I, the ghost of sarcasm and Easily forseen circumstances.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

No one could have ever seen this coming

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