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[–] DoofusAscendant@hexbear.net 79 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've been reading Civilized to Death, and in a section on the subjugation of the Taíno, the author quotes Columbus writing, "they are so guileless and so generous with all that they possess, that no one would believe it who has not seen it. They refuse nothing that they possess, if it be asked of them; on the contrary, they invite any one to share it and display as much love as if they would give their hearts" only to follow it up with "they shall make fine servants."

He also embarked on his genocide in the face of the 15th-century Catholic Church, an institution not exactly known for its gentle approach, saying that the Taíno should be recognized and treated as human, so it's not like you can say he was just a product of his time. Dude was enthusiastically horrible.

Pretty sure the church condemned him because he was so genocidal and murderous. You have to be REALLY genocidal and murderous for the 15th century catholic church to condemn you for it.

[–] d_cagno@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"they shall make fine servants."

The translation of his journal that I read had it as "they shall make fine slaves."

[–] DoofusAscendant@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

It was quoted as "servants" in the book but I would venture that "slaves" is the more honest rendering.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

They say on x 🫩

[–] Feed_el_Castro@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago

"If you apply logic and morality once, then you'll have to apply it all the time!!!!"

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Funny how they hang Christianity up there along with the others in an attempt at whitewashing the rest but all it does is smear shit all over Christianity by reminding everyone it went hand in glove with a lot of the atrocities of the “age of discovery”

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And we can do the same.

“You oppose the Soviets? Then you also oppose:

  • progress
  • industrialization
  • scientific discovery
  • Eastern Civilization
  • Human rights

All the human rights they take for granted were because the USSR civilized the fascist west and intimidated the porks into behaving even if just for a few decades.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Eastern Civilization

I would say USSR was a part of western civilization. Hell, at this point everyone is a part of western civilization with PRC being its most successful representative.

[–] burlemarx@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

When people call Western civilization, meant by Westerners themselves, it includes mainly Western Europe and the US. Later inclusions were Japan, Australia and Canada (both were part of the British empire but were separated). Russian royal family adopted French customs and the Russian bourgeoisie adopted Western culture broadly, but it doesn't mean they were actually included as Westerners by the "West".

Russia particularly is often opportunalistically included as West when talking about cultural and technological advances, but also identified as East or the Eastern horde, Eastern despotism whenever they want to oppose Russia. The same logic is applied to Eastern Europe and Balkan states.

It's a similar treatment we from Latin America receive. We are Westerners only when it's suitable.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Exploration and Progress are such vague terms as to be meaningless. Oh yeah?! You oppose benevolence? You oppose magnanimity?

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The unstated and no doubt deliberate implication is that Western (read: white) civilization has a monopoly on those things.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

no one ever explored until the Europeans did it - - what they're going for

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Especially not the people living there. Lol.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cool. So if you think all Muslims are terrorists and should be genocided, then you are condemning:

  • Hygiene
  • medicine
  • also exploration
  • Also western civilization (thermonuclear take? You can’t have Western Civilization without Islam. It has been a part of it for centuries.)
[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago
[–] azalea_simsii@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 3 days ago

i was already on board, you didn't have to make it even more appealing

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago
[–] miz@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Progress

she misspelled "Manifest Destiny"

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Oh, you oppose cancer? Well then I guess you also oppose progress*!

*of a kind

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] generic_computers@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Yes, but it's ok, I understood you just fine. I stutter too sometimes, it's not a big deal.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

I fucking hate how these people act like things like "innovation" are something white people are born with. No Nikki, you're a fucking tradwife who dropped out of high school to sell Amway products, you never innovated on anything in your life and the lack of melanin in your skin doesn't mean you can claim credit for things done by people centuries ago with 0 connection to your miserable little life.

[–] kisstrel@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago
[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

Credit where credit is due, we are not reducing Columbus to a genocidalremoved, it was actually Christopher Columbus who did that.

[–] Bonescape@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago
[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago

Of course I do

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i-think-that the Christian god is a genocidal removed

[–] Sator_is_Tense@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

ah yes Exploration and Progress, two things that are definitely exclusive to the whities and no one else in the whole world did. very telling that she can't imagine these things without the slavery and genocide part.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

I can, and I do ¯\(ツ)/¯

[–] miz@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago
[–] agentant@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

Stop ow ow ow stop twisting my arm fuck stop that hurts