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[–] huey_m@piefed.social 52 points 1 day ago (4 children)

My son is 8 and we live about a 5 minute walk from his school. The entire walk is down a lively pedestrian mall, he has to cross one, narrow, 30kph, crosswalked road that's constantly being crossed by other kids and parents as it's the main route to get to the school from all of the nearby flats. The teacher got visibly agitated and shocked when I suggested the possibility of him walking to or from school by himself and said she vehemently disagrees with it and that she didn't even let her 4th grader walk alone. He has a locked down smart watch he can use to call us if there are any issues.

And I'm not even in the US, I'm in central Europe. These people are honestly kind of batshit insane.

IMO we are what we incentivize and right now we’re incentivizing a low-trust society which “requires” a nanny state to remediate thanks to the anxiety ##% of the populace feels thanks to the constant fear mongering used to induce FOMO. Nowadays you can’t convince anyone you’re a normal, capable human being without proof. What that proof is differs from person to person of course.

[–] JonnyW@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From the age of 6 I rode my bike to school by myself. Mum had work responsibilities and we lived rurally so there was no bus. The ride into town was along a main highway, on the grass siding, then when I got into town I’d just use the footpaths. Other parents at my school would often offer to drive me home because they were so worried.

That was in the 80s. Crazy to think back on, now.

[–] NedRyerson@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

My family and I lived in Switzerland for several years, and had a child there. We were shocked to find out that as early as kindergarten, it is REQUIRED that the children walk to school by themselves, to teach them independence. Completely different mindset.

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I walked to Kindergarten on my own and it was definitely longer than 5 minutes.

But yeah, traffic plays a role. Sounds like kids these days are protected a lot more.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 100 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Parkinson told me that her son—who competently walked the security guard back to their house after politely explaining that he wasn’t allowed to get into cars with strangers—had become distraught upon learning that he had apparently done something very bad.

There it is. This should have ended it. A short discussion between the security guard and the mother, with the mother explaining that her son was fine should have been the end of this, and the security guard could rest easy if he saw the kid outside again.

I'm Gen X and you already know our stories--gone from dawn to dusk in the summer with a stop in for lunch. Why have we done a complete 180 on this? Why are parents so afraid of fucking everything, it seems?

[–] AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Its the Republicans and their fear mongering, almost every network tv has overflow of cop/crime shows. They think they're tough but whom is the real snowflakes in this country?

A scared and ignorant populous is an easily controlled populous. They’ve been working to that end for decades.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

This seems like a big part of it.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago

Parents are afraid someone will call the cops on the kid, and the cops will call the state, and now your kid could be taken away, or you (the parent) arrested.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And there weren't tracking devices in every pocket back then either.

[–] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While true, there was a network of mothers who called each other without our knowing about it

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[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We made tracking easy. Why leave your kid out all day if they have a phone that you can call whenever to make sure they're safe? Why let them go out without knowing where they are if it's so convenient to just put a tracker on them and know where they are at all times?

As soon as we didn't have to trust our kids anymore, we stopped, and as soon as we stopped, we no longer trusted them with anything. That's the issue with convenience - we'll do anything so long as its easy and sounds useful, and we won't bother wondering what the repercussions of that might be.

[–] huey_m@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why let them go out without knowing where they are if it’s so convenient to just put a tracker on them and know where they are at all times? As soon as we didn’t have to trust our kids anymore, we stopped

This causation is exactly backwards; this was a trend happening long, long before trackers were common. Helicopter parenting really started taking hold in the 90s and was pretty firmly entrenched by the 00s, well before every kid was walking around with a phone.

The trackers are actually a response by parents who are trying to buck this trend and want to be able to go back to giving their kids more independence but need to prove to other parents, teachers, police, the state, etc, that they aren't being irresponsible by doing so.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 4 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Helicopter parents existed before this, yes, but they were viewed as an overbearing subset of parents. They became the early adopters of this technology that didn't need to be convinced to use it. The only kids I knew with phones growing up were the ones with parents who needed them to call to check in every hour.

But soon more and more kids had phones, so the paradigm quickly shifted, and what used to be considered overbearing and helicoptering became a normal amount of worry. You kid has the phone - why not call? Subsequently, not having your kid call to check in on a regular basis was soon seen as neglectful.

The same thing happened with phone tracking and things like air tags. At first I knew a few people who used them for their kids, and they felt the need to defend their decision to use them, but eventually enough people used them that nobody batted an eye, and not using them was viewed as unsafe.

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Elder millennial, same here

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (26 children)

Officials in the case decided to press charges against Parkinson, and last week she was convicted of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and placed on Virginia’s child-abuse-and-neglect registry, where she will remain for seven years.

I am all in favor of delinquency, but I don't understand what delinquent behavior she could possibly have contributed to in this case? Walking in public? Having an interest in waterfowl?

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[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The fact she was arrested is unbelievable.

Admittedly, I wouldn't let my 5 year old have that much leeway, but I don't know her kid or the neighborhood and he seemed pretty capable based solely on the article. I'd probably wait until they are eligible for numbered grades. I was walking solo to elementary school and I made it out ok, so I guess kindergarten might not be much different. I think 7-8 is much more reasonable, but each kid is different.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago (6 children)

In a gated community, with private security patrolling. That's probably safer than just being in the backyard unsupervised next to the woods.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I walked home from kindergarten. It was like 10 blocks. There were a few turns. And there was never any problem because of course there wasn't.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Back in the day kids younger than this were mature enough to hold a job. Now they can't even walk by themselves.

But seriously, times have changed and society has completely different idea of what acceptable risk for a child is than 30 years ago. They will also prosecute you for letting your kids do things that go beyond the limits they established. Not for actually letting your kid get harmed but just for risking it which will always be subjective. Everyone is scared now (even though crime is going down) and you have to be too or they will treat like you're crazy. For me it's just another reason not to have kids.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TBF a lot of them died. Humans can be bad at gauging danger. Pre telegraph a child dying is a freak accident and the people of the community would understand it as uncommon, but now that we can collect and transmit data to the extent that we are, we can see patterns about what is dangerous.

I still think there shouldn't be criminal liability for shit like "child walked into unfenced water".

[–] LilB0kChoy@reddthat.com 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why do so many in the US feel entitled to make decisions for others?

[–] huey_m@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wish this was just the US. Having to fight the teachers here in Hungary so my 8 year old can walk down the pedestrian mall we live on and cross one slow road with a crosswalk to walk to school by himself. They're dead set against it.

[–] blackshirt@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

You should see France:

Mam, your daughter should not wear a headscarf!

why not ?

Mam, you should not force your believes on your daughter.

But she's 16. She chose to wear it on her own. And I don't even wear one myself as you can see.

Mam, it's against the law..

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[–] Ok_imagination@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus who decides the age in which a kid can ride the subway or walk to a gated community pond by themselves?

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 days ago

Age 26 and no sooner, gated neighborhoods just aren't safe /s

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When I was a kid I collected toads from a nearby pond and biked to elementary school by myself. I was fine and I know the kids in my area still do this and they're also fine. I don't think this mother did anything wrong.

I kind of sound like an old fart complaining about kids not playing outside by themselves anymore saying this but I'm only gen z. Which is funny cause my 80 year old grandmother says stuff like that, but then also says that this mother should have been arrested.
¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 days ago

Yet another sign of a diseased society. Whether the disease will be terminal remains to be seen.

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