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    You don't actually have to be 1337 to use arch(install)btw (files.catbox.moe)
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    I (struggle to) use arch (in disposable VMs, not my actual machine) btw

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    [–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 54 points 6 days ago (7 children)

    You don't actually have to be 1337 to use arch

    You don't have to, no. But you should. Not understanding how a system works that you fundamentally completely set up yourself is setting you up for massive failure. That's like using unreal engine and only relying on blueprints without understanding C++.

    If you want Arch without knowing shit about arch, there's plenty of distros you can use. Stop trying to be cool. Pick something that fits your use case.

    [–] rozodru@piefed.world 57 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    You don’t actually have to be 1337 to use arch

    Omarchy users in shambles right now. oh who am I kidding, they can't read.

    [–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

    There are 10 users on omarchy right now, 3 of them are very pissed at you. The other 7 are AI agents so they don't care.

    [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    That's a really insightful observation, and you're right to push back....

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    [–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    Damn didn't know about omarchy hate! Not that I care much. Don't really understand why the developer gets flamed because of his vibe code obsession, if that's the case (his problem not mine). But he is kinda insufferable to listen to - that's why I chose not to.

    [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    It's so much more than that.
    He's a white supremacist and calls for genocide (whether you choose to listen to him or not).
    https://crimier.github.io/posts/Framework-Omarchy/

    [–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

    Thanks. Interesting read. Not that I disagree with the points made in the post, but I find it quite problematic that the author at no point defines what he means by fascist. Does he subscribe to Marx, Umberto Eco, Walter Benjamin or other of the numerous philosophical descriptions. A little off topic but I think it's important to at least reflect on this before labeling people without having properly defined the concept. I usually return to Eco and by his definition, DHH does indeed seem to align with (at least) Eco's third aspect; Cult of Action for Action’s Sake. DHH rant on how "stupid" internal discussion and conflict in FOSS project is just bad leads me to believe that he is valuing action over reflection, leading to anti-intellectualism (which is also touched upon in the blog post).

    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

    I haven't paid attention to Omarchy to be honest. So I went to their website to see and was trying to watch the video on their distro. When he opened a terminal and intermediately opened a tiled browser window with X loaded, I just noped right out of there.

    You are correct about the unable to read, and it's a good thing they can't.

    [–] esc@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Installing arch won't give you anymore understanding of how system works, at least no more than installer would, linux systems are somewhat hard to understand especially if you aren't deeply involved with them. Also that understanding requires so much peripheral knowledge of linux to start with, it's not even funny. Like you can start on disk partitioning and it would take a week to explain everything you can do, look at this pie: encryption, vdo, lvm, different filesystems, billion things available in device mapper, then systemd mounts etc., etc..

    [–] exu@feditown.com 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Installing it manually will at least give you all the tools to fix your boot loader or troubleshoot an issue that prevents you from booting.

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

    I installed arch "from scratch" for the first time after installing it with archinstall like 4+ times previously, and yes it definitely somewhat did this, but honestly not quite to the extent that I expected. I feel like most of my system's configuration was determined for me by the KDE plasma dependencies and defaults lol

    My bootloader configuration is definitely one of the parts that I was more exposed to with a manual install, but honestly I don't really see how what I learned would help me fix issues like that in the future, more about how I could customize the boot screen and extend my configuration with more boot options

    idk it was a good experience to have but I think it brought more personal satisfaction than real practical benefit

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    [–] Speiser0@feddit.org 6 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    That’s like using unreal engine and only relying on blueprints without understanding C++.

    I like your comparison in this situation. It's so layman-unfriendly that one can doubt its usefulness. And I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one struggling to find suitable comparisons.

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    [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    I'm not great at Linux, did programming for most of my life in Windows, but so far I've gotten by for about a year in CachyOS (uses Arch). Having it work so well in gaming has been a strong motivator.

    [–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago

    Using a distro that's a derivation of arch is perfectly fine. Cachy does all the configuration for you. SteamOS runs on arch aswell and is absolutely targeted towards non-technical people.

    Plain arch does nothing of that. You have to install every package yourself. Want a network connection? You need something like NetworkManager for that. Wdym, a desktop? You have to install that. Oh, you don't want your desktop to start via something like startx in the CLI? Well, you better go take a look at something like lightdm or sddm.

    Most non-technical people that have no interest in learning that will not be able to use arch properly.

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    [–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

    If you ever want to sweat and earn some knowledge that manual install process is a way to use up two weekends doing just that if it's your first time.

    [–] rozodru@piefed.world 11 points 6 days ago

    honestly once you learn how to install Gentoo and/or NetBSD every other install is an absolute cake walk.

    Really though like you said it's valuable knowledge to learn.

    [–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    Dammit, that makes me want to steal a laptop just to fuck with arch

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

    ... The whole source of the meme is that I'm just dumping arch into VMs. Download an easy to use VM manager like gnome boxes or virt-manager and use the snapshot functionality to come back to it later.

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    [–] gera@feddit.nu 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Who the hell not manually partitions their system? You guys have empty hard drives?

    [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Well if you're moving from Windows, you can just nuke the entire thing with automatic partitioning and it feels so damn good

    But since that was a long time ago, these days I keep my / and /home on not just separate partitions but separate drives since all my SSDs are only 1 TB. The installer can do whatever the hell it wants to / but /home has to stay untouched.

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    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    I struggle to see the hype of Arch.

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    It does have its merits, but the hype is pretty much "cool kids go hard"

    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    If they really wanted to go hard, they'd be running Gentoo or LFS. Possibly Debian or Slack if they were truly hardcore.

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    True, but Gentoo and LFS are too hard for them, and Debian/Slack too old and uncool.

    [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

    I ain't got the time to wait for Gentoo to finish compiling. I'm old and don't have that many years left to live. And LFS, well madness lies on that path. I have seen it and barely escaped.

    Debian is kind of cool again in a hipster sort of way if you aren't running a bunch of servers. I do wonder why Slack has faded so. It was the Arch of it's day.

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    [–] l3mming@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    You don't have to be 1337 to install arch, but you do need to be pretty 1337 to keep it running. I use arch btw, but I also use Mint because I don't always have time for Arch's shit.

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    [–] esc@piefed.social 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

    Not using installer more often than not is a good indicator of being tryhard and not something to brag about (like who cares how exactly have you installed OS, something that you do once in a few years).

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    I think I get what you're saying, but you might want to fix up the way you said it to be clearer, for your own clarity of expression.

    [–] esc@piefed.social 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

    Sorry, I'm getting less and less proficient with english.

    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

    no worries, the sentence was grammatically correct, just an unwieldy one any native speaker can make from time to time

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    [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

    Arch has good documentation. Read it and you'll be ok.

    [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Well, what a fest of dumb elitism and delusional farce in the comments. I need more popcorn and that you deeply for posting this

    [–] EuroNutellaMan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Tbh gatekeeping Arch by keeping an area of pestilent neckbeards around it is good actually. I mean there's nothing hard or elite about Arch really but newbies should never be exposed to the AUR (see recent events) when they have no clue what they're doing and the risks associated with AUR use.

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    [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

    I need more popcorn and that you deeply for posting this

    buy me a drink first

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    [–] psion1369@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

    I definitely agree here. But if you want to better learn how the system works, I suggest getting a cheap used laptop and just hammer at installing arch using the install guide, not the installer tool. The tool is nice and all, but you still need to know what is going on under the hood and to understand most of it.

    [–] danielfm123@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    Better use cachyos, compilation flags will give you a performance boost.

    And for disposable distro use distrobox.

    [–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

    you can use arch with the cachyos kernel and repositories to (afaik) get most of that performance boost while keeping the arch experience, that's what i'm doing on my main computer at the moment

    https://wiki.cachyos.org/features/optimized_repos/#adding-our-repositories-to-an-existing-arch-linux-install

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