I work in government IT in Canada.. that shit ain't happening. I have been laughed out every time I've mentioned it for years.
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Ottawa IT is a joke. The BMW turn signals of government.
I have been laughed out every time I've mentioned it for years.
I got approval from my managers and IT to install a Linux based OS on my work desktop, then a half-wit Windows-fanboy dev chimed in claiming our insurance would not cover the operating system if there were ever a security breach, data loss, etc. to say I was infuriated was an understatement.
All we use is a Web-App to accomplish our tasks, no in-house proprietary executables or anything along those lines, hell they claimed their Web-App wouldn’t work on Firefox browsers, which of course was a lie.
our insurance would not cover the operating system if there were ever a security breach, data loss, etc
This person was lying to you.
Oh I know, whenever he sends out an email for an update to the web-app I react with a “😢” in outlook every time because he’ll just push updates without having anyone test them.
This is not a software company at all, lately he decided to write his own PDF editor and switch out the one he found on GitHub for it, well the folks in the shop certainly weren’t happy to find out they couldn’t print drawings anymore or that mobile devices had poor compatibility with it.
he’ll just push updates without having anyone test them.
This person is a clown and shouldn't be allowed near any production stuff.
I would bet top dollar that he pushed back on Linux because it scares him.
Big same. I've been the cloud guy for years hosting linux servers exclusively. I win awards. Our budget to host our websites is the envy of other departments. The default is still Microsoft first for everything and I fight for every little open source win I can eke out.
More countries should look at the efforts made by the EU and member countries to reduce dependency on big tech.
exactly; i lost track of the number of times a government has stated an intention to ditch microsoft only to have them quietly withdraw it later.
Market share of linux in canada has been gradually increasing for around 2 decades (download the CSV for a clearer representation of the data). the more popular linux becomes the more likely it is the government will switch to it (more software support, funding etc).
And we just signed a new deal with Microsoft - after all this trade war stuff started happening.
Then the deal needs to be changed. Contracts are not above the law 🤷
I have been laughed out every time I’ve mentioned it for years.
You were laughed at? Really? Why?
I've witnessed this firsthand. Its because Microsoft has consultants embedded in the government and they have so many of the higher up bureaucrats under their thumb so brainwashed that yes, they laugh at attempts to deMicrosoft. Its ludicrous to them to abandon Microsoft.
Microsoft has consultants embedded in the government
Consultants? You mean lobbyists? This sounds like bribery.
It's so fucked up.
"consultants" in that they are basically a mixture of cultists and also very aware their future is Microsoft or bust.
I fought and lost to get a simple LAMP box to run a web app for my squadron using software written by dozens of others in my specialty. We lost because a lt. Colonel with a guaranteed seat at Microsoft just said no.
Bureaucracy hates change of any kind.
Doesn’t matter if someone higher up is no longer laughing. All the people you heard laugh will be getting direct orders from above them to start pushing changes
Canadians won't do shit on this front.
I'm literally watching a "merger" in the financial industry, where the smaller player, who used a linux-based back-end stack for the banking system, is being forced to adopt the 'industry standard' of the larger financial institution -- the industry standard being a US company system, running on Microsoft products, and using an Indian company, running the online banking in Microsoft's cloud. Having a 'sovereign' local community credit union isn't enough to get members/loans apparently.
Even had an opportunity to ask the new CEO about whether they thought it was a prudent move, given the constant news/trade tensions (admittedly, prior to the most recent issue) -- and the CEO's response was basically "I have a piece of paper from a third party that says there's no risk, so shut up". Also, the very accurate comment of "I don't think the back end matters to people in general, no one is going to move their accounts just to be with a sovereign setup, if they can get a slightly better rate elsewhere". And you can't really argue that, seeing as the smaller company that's being 'merged' couldn't leverage it to gain memberships.
The regulators don't only not care about this sort of thing, they encourage industry to move things into US tech giant clouds. It's hilarious, the BC outsourcing regulations say to avoid concentration, but the regulators themselves practically disregard it and demand everyone use Microsoft, and FISERV (a US backend banking host provider that provides core services for like 80% of the credit unions around). The regulators themselves are in US tech giant clouds. There's practically no chance that our government actually takes any kind of stand against Microsoft or US tech giants.
Every country not the USA should be embracing Linux regardless of trade disputes. A foreign company putting there proprietary software in your country's government infrastructure always come with uncomfortable security realities, you can be held hostage in an ecosystem that may no longer match your goals quickly, it becomes financial handcuffs.
Every country ~~not the USA~~
FTFY
Just look at all the stuff the EU's been doing. It's definitely not a USA exclusive thing, they just happen to be leading at the moment.
It's a shame that so far only Germany, France and China seem to understand this
Germany has understood it for many years, what they lack is the conviction to follow through and stick with OSS.
If even Germany can, so can Canada.
Does Germany actually use Linux and Libreoffice or is it still just one or two states that flip-flop when Microsoft shows key people a bag of money?
A good majority of European countries have switched to Linux or FOSS solutions for governments or militaries.
France's federal police have been using Linux for over 15 years now.
Well every single time an article is posted about Germany, it turns out it's a single state and that they reverted a few years later.
And here in Estonia, government departments are actually trying to get their private contractor companies to switch to Teams for "ease of communication". That's how bad it is. Yes, the official stance is "we'll see about using FOSS more", but that's not reality.
I suspect a good majority of European countries still use Microsoft on most of their government computers. France and Denmark are making the move, but not sure if anyone else is unfortunately.
And stop paying for Windows while we're busy getting rid of it!
Ditching Microsoft is only a pure benefit.
Linux is free, better maintained, and way less troublesome for proper work. Microsoft ecosystem is just an illusion of comfort that keeps breaking itself the moment it encounters a printer, a virtual machine having issues, or whatever else.
Better invest that money into real human employees rather than paying for all the licensing costs.
While at it, the cybersecurity mafia should also get sanctioned out of existence by making the SOC 2 charade an irrelevant thing. It’s just an overpriced, silly report, not even a proper certification anyway.
We should. My university has a specific contract with MS that says our data cannot leave the campus or the country. I had a MS teams meeting with a lab in Toronto in which we discussed very specific chemical compounds that were unusual. With 48 hours, everyone at that meeting got emails from a chemical synthesis company soliciting to sell us these compounds.
I have seen this happen repeatedly as the result of a MS Teams meeting.
My university has a specific contract with MS that says our data cannot leave the campus or the country.
That contract is worth nothing due to the Cloud Act.
and as such, we will have to go back to flying to in -person meetings to discuss any new IP.
That's awesome. If I had to guess, the data of the Teams call might not leave Canada but it might be stored temporarily in a Canadian Azure dc where it's STT-ed, transcript analyzed and matched to whoever's bid to be called up. The bidder could be an American firm and the call to it isn't the Teams data so "no foul" been committed. 🤭
E: some might call this industrial espionage.
Of course it is.
Just like all universities in Canada teach AutoCAD software, and any designs are hosted on foreign servers.
I recall how a few of us who highlighted this risk (as well as the cost increase risk) back in the early 2010s when UofT was starting to migrate from on-prem (sovereign in newspeak) services to Microslop's cloud. We were called crazy paranoid, etc.
I'm still being ignored on this by university admin. Software deals in education are rife with corruption. I lost a 6 month battle to even have our computing service post links to Open Source software.
you can install linux today and drive adoption instead of waiting for rich people to save you from microsoft.
The average office worker has a good chance of a complete meltdown if an icon on their desktop is moved. Government and business are not going to move to Linux on the desktop.
I fully recognize the absurdity of this, particularly in an era when a huge number of office jobs are basically just interacting with a web browser. I've just spent enough time writing software for "regular folks" to see why it's not going to happen.
Lookup "Gendarmierie Linux Switchover"
It's already happened.
Edit: quote
The Gendarmerie Nationale has run a Linux desktop environment continuously since 2008. By June 2024 it had reached 103,164 workstations, around 97 per cent of the force's computing estate.
They even have their own Ubuntu fork, GendBuntu
Are cops actually using the OS though, or is it just what their proprietary policing software runs on now? Last time I was in a cop shop in the UK they all seemed to be working through the same full screen interface, so the OS seemed irrelevant.
Look at the Timeline heading on the wiki page, turns out yes, actually using it
What does "97% of workstations" mean?
You misunderstand me - are the police actually using the desktop environment, clicking menus and launching programs, or is the OS just a vehicle for them to run one program that covers all their tasks and duties? Because the commenter's point was that people who are actually using the DE hate change, so your example will be irrelevant if the cops aren't actually using the DE.
Fuck knows, I doubt 97% of all workstations run just the one app though
But I ain't french, or a cop (ACAB), so I don't know for certain
As a glowy, the same sap, ms word and some db or registry software.
So libreoffice, some sap, some db and registry
Hell, Americans should do that too. Great idea for almost any country, frankly